Common Pakistanis US Foreign Policy

#221 Posted by majumdar on March 31, 2009 9:49:04 am

Tahmed sahib,

how about some indian pointing to the strength of the Pakistani people that overcame a dictator??

Of course, yes. Not only a dictator but an elected crook as well. And of course on a personal note very satisfying becuase a dear friend of mine was in the thick of things.

Regards

#220 Posted by tahmed32 on March 31, 2009 9:48:08 am

pmishra: actions speak louder than words.

#219 Posted by tahmed32 on March 31, 2009 9:46:49 am

#217 majumdar: how about some indian pointing to the strength of the Pakistani people that overcame a dictator?? why this need to look for flaws and make negative predictions about Pakistan?? Why dont Pakistanis spend their time finding flaws in India the way Indians posters do??? rest assured it is not because India is "shining" and perfect!!

When confronted, posters like SPY and other indians back down claiming they are all for friendship with Pakistan. And then revert to the same spiteful posts about Pakistanis and Pakistan.

#218 Posted by pmishra2 on March 31, 2009 9:45:20 am

I dont think we wish for the destruction of pakistan at all. Actually most indians dont wish to think about Pakistan at all, they are busy with many other activities. But sadly, almost everyday we are forced to think about it.

Our situation is more like what happens when you are the neighbor of a crazy person. This is person is yelling and screaming all the time, some days his guests attack you and steal things from your home, other times they set his and your house on fire. Naturally we want protection from such an insane neighbor - we get angry, call the police, attack the neighbors "guests" and so on. We wonder if we can get this neighbor evicted and also why they are so deranged...

#217 Posted by majumdar on March 31, 2009 9:41:16 am

Tahmed sahib,

I dont think Harishbhai wants to see the destruction of Pakistan. He is just pointing to the tenuous nature of Pak's democracy, which you must admit is a valid point.

Regards

#216 Posted by tahmed32 on March 31, 2009 9:33:54 am

as for harish_hyd and the other indians looking forward to the destruction of pakistan - they will inshallah live out their lives like their previous generation did seeing their spiteful wishes for pakistan go unfullfilled.

#215 Posted by tahmed32 on March 31, 2009 9:28:26 am

hamidm: let us hope your predictions of nawaz sharif prove to be as bogus as your predictions of musharraf the "rising sun", zardari "zindabad", not to mention "lost my deposit" sheikh rashid.

#214 Posted by hamidm2 on March 31, 2009 9:18:34 am

Re: # 211

harish mian,

... please make sure you save sheikh tahmed's link to this 't-shirt' moment because you might need it sooner than you think ...... now that we have established the power of street politics we will see a mid-term election and it is a matter of time before nawaz sharif's troopers storm the supreme court and he tries to change the constitution to install himself as the khalifa and founder of the sharif dynasty ....

#213 Posted by tahmed32 on March 31, 2009 9:06:30 am

harish_hyd: you are welcome to your opinions.

#212 Posted by tahmed32 on March 31, 2009 9:06:02 am

#210 RiazHaq: Comfort is another luxury no Pakistani can afford. No politician should get a pass. If tomorrow Nawaz Sharif does something wrong, I will be there ahead of you to point that out.

But Sharif has done the right thing in taking (as I said) a bold, consistent and principled stand in restoring the Supreme Court despite determined opposition from crooks in high places (Musharraf and his lotas, and later Zardari and his lotas). And if you dont support someone when doing the right thing, then you are reduced to merely complaining about what is wrong.

#211 Posted by harish_hyd on March 31, 2009 8:58:38 am

#209 by tahmed32

Nawaz Sharif has more than redeemed himself with his bold and principled and consistent stand in the restoration of the Supreme Court.

tahmed32 sahib, I feel this is going to be your "t-shirt with Paki flag" moment. If you go by NS' past, Zardari is a schoolkid in comparison. NS is tame today only because he's powerless. The day he manages to unseat Zardari and grab the chair, you'll see him return back to his true colors. Unfortunately, when that happens, Pakis' disenchantment with democracy will grow even further and the military will like it has so many times in the past, akin to the greedy fox, will be ready to jump at the opportunity again.

#210 Posted by RiazHaq on March 31, 2009 8:53:59 am

Re: # 209
tahmed: "You have to look at today's realities, and see who is part of the solution and who is part of the problem. Nawaz Sharif has more than redeemed himself with his bold and principled and consistent stand in the restoration of the Supreme Court."

I am looking at today's realities and the company Sharif keeps gives me no comfort.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

#209 Posted by tahmed32 on March 31, 2009 8:46:14 am

RiazHaq #208 Pakistan does not have the luxury of waiting for someone who never sinned to become a political leader. You have to look at today's realities, and see who is part of the solution and who is part of the problem. Nawaz Sharif has more than redeemed himself with his bold and principled and consistent stand in the restoration of the Supreme Court. The other political leaders are either very much part of the problem (like Zardari), or sitting on the fence (like the ANP leadership).

#208 Posted by RiazHaq on March 31, 2009 8:28:55 am

Re: # 201
tahmed: "what is "opportunist" about Nawaz Sharif supporting the restoration of the Supreme Court?? If Nawaz Sharif is an opportunist, then I wish all other political figures in pakistan were opportunists like him!!"

Apparently, you haven't read Bengali's piece I posted in my comments. Sharif is a creature of the Zia military who has been far more arbitrary and dictatorial than either Zardari or Musharraf. And now, he saw an opening to back the lawyers movement and weaken Zardari because he thinks he can get back in power and impose Shariah and assume the powers of an unaccountable an d all-powerful Amirul Momineen (the Supreme Leader) as he tried to do the last time he was prime minister. Just look at the people who are part of his inner circle...people from Zia days (former miltary/ISI officials and other Zia cronies) who brought us the "gift" jihadi violence. Sharif in incompetent, corrupt and dangerous...more so than Zardari.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

#207 Posted by RiazHaq on March 31, 2009 8:17:46 am

Re: # 205

SPY: "But it beats me why they never come out in open against these bombings and terrorism spreading in their country. That begining is not visible or am I wrong here."

Many of them do come out and oppose/condemn the violent Taliban (or the various disparate groups operating under the Taliban label).. ..but then the US drone attacks, often killing innocent civilians in both Afghanistan and Pakistan, weaken such people in the face of outrage against Americans. The truth is that the US presence has become a lightning rod and it drives people to act irrationally against their own best interests. The US troops have also become a magnet for global jihadists who come to the region to kill Americans and those seen as supporting Americans. The best thing for both US and Pakistan now is to figure out an exit strategy for the US by tamping down the violence in Afghanistan and it 'll have a salutary effect on the situation in Pakistan as well. The sooner people see the US making plans to exit, the easier it's going to be to rally Pakistanis against al Qaeda and the Taliban.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide