Common Pakistanis US Foreign Policy

#282 Tahmed: Very logical interact that is true and non-abusive to any side.

#281: "You think replacing a military dictator with an independent Supreme Court and two mainstream parties is the "wrong direction"?? --- Not at all. At the moment it seems to be right direction, but only time will tell how much it is benefitial for the common paksitani and having a political stable Paksitan.

Majumdar bhai #284 After a 100 years of development economics when many factors behind economic growth were put forward (education; technological innovation; "big push" in investments; public control over productive assets), a consensus emerged over the past couple of decades that good governance (in other words, the rule of law) is the necessary condition for any development.

That is what makes the restoration of the Supreme Court such a key step forward towards longer term economic development in Pakistan. Other factors (education, investment) etc. then get to do their part over time.

Tahmed sahib,

Historically Punjab and Sindh were among the wealthier agrarian provinces of British India. They may not have had big industries but no one ever starved in these provinces unlike the Gangetic provinces.

I am afraid the restoration of the CJP will not cause Pakistan's economic woes to disappear. CJP's restoration is a worthy cause nonetheless becuase it is a step towards rule of law and democratisation.

Regards

Re: # 282 chalo aap naheen gayen tau yahaan poswting karenga hum....buttees sahib aap ka jawab public chahtee hain

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Can someone tell me what is wrong with this listing? I mean, if one were to go by what Tahmed32 says, the listings should not be like this.

majumdar #279 income distribution in Pakistan has historically been much less skewed than in India (which has been famous for having both the worlds richest - like the Nawab of Hyderabad - and the worlds poorest). That is why even in the 1950's and 1960's right up to today you dont see the grinding poverty that you see in India. Just as you dont see billionaire industrialists in Pakistan that you see in India. Lately this gap has been increasing in Pakistan, but hopefully the ousting of the military dictator (along with the rot that accompanied him like lota politicians, corrupt judges, lawless mullahs) and the civilian dictator and their replacement by political leaders as well as a judiciary who owe their power to popular support - combined with international support for the uplift of people in fata and other poorer areas - will help improve the income distribution curve.

shankar: Please try to avoid hollow, nationalistic generalizations ("India's direction is right, Pakistan's direction is wrong"). There are enough 10 watt bright indians on chowk to do that.

You think replacing a military dictator with an independent Supreme Court and two mainstream parties is the "wrong direction"??

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Harishbhai,

Pakistan has had a headstart in terms of economic reforms

To be more precise, India was ruled by Jwahirullah and his progenies for about 40 years, Pakistan had the misfortune of being ruled by ZAB for only 5 years. That prolly explains why Pakistan has somewhat less poverty and hunger than us.

Regards

pakis...bend over...the danda is coming again..and this time, it's going in deeper..

April 2, 2009
Petraeus Warns About Militants’ Threat to Pakistan
By ELISABETH BUMILLER

WASHINGTON — Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top American commander for Iraq and Afghanistan, warned a Senate panel on Wednesday that militant extremists in Pakistan “could literally take down their state� if left unchallenged, as he and two other top officials presented a grim picture of growing dangers in the region.

Michele A. Flournoy, a top Defense Department official, told the panel that there would be “higher human costs� for the United States in Afghanistan this year, while the chief of the military’s Special Operations commandos, Adm. Eric T. Olson, called the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan “increasingly dire.�

The trio testified jointly before occasionally skeptical members of the Senate Armed Services Committee, who had their first chance to question in public some of the officials who helped formulate President Obama’s new strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, which was announced at the White House last week.

The panel pressed the officials on two major issues: how the Obama administration will measure progress in the region and whether Pakistan and its spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, can be trusted. Mr. Obama has promised more aid to Pakistan and called on its leaders to crack down on Al Qaeda and other militant groups that operate within its borders.

Under sharp questioning from Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, Ms. Flournoy, the under secretary of defense for policy, acknowledged the administration’s concerns about a wing of the ISI, which American intelligence officials say is providing money and military assistance to the Taliban across the border in Afghanistan.

“I think ISI is a — or parts of ISI — are certainly a problem to be dealt with,� Ms. Flournoy said.

#275 by shankar

If a Pakistani comes to India, he/she will definitely notice that visible poverty & state of poor infrastructure are much more noticeable in India. Its a fact, there is no denying it.

Shankar bhai, not that I'm justifying India's poor state, but Pakistan has had a headstart in terms of economic reforms and there was a time when South Korea actually looked up to it. However, it has been all downhill since then. And what is worse is how Pakis like Romair and this Riaz dude still feel so cocky about themselves and their nation.

India and Pakistan are both in the gutter, but while Indians look out of it, Pakis continue to look into it.

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shankar...
India is housing 17 crore additional people, who are supposed to be part of arabic moon god's chosen land...and these people are real burden on India...If some part of India drags us towards Pakistan, it is cow belt and that segment of population....and alash, that segment holds the political power of India....in fundamental terms, Pakistan was supposed to go down to drains within couple of decades if USA stayed off from Pakistan and India sided with USA....but then, these ifs and buts does not make any sense...

harish,

I know Romair has a penchant to get under your skin.
After visiting India several times, I think Romair has made a very significant (& I think accurate) observation.

Both India & Pakistan, to an observer, appear more or less similar.However, the 2 countries are pointed in opposite directions. He was honest enough to admit that India's direction was the better one.

If a Pakistani comes to India, he/she will definitely notice that visible poverty & state of poor infrastructure are much more noticeable in India. Its a fact, there is no denying it.

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Riaz Haq Sahab,

Ham karva kehten hain aap karva (aur usse kahin badtar karte hain).

Please try and find out what happened in Parchinar in Oct of 1947? An auction happened? Who was auctioned? Hindu and Sikh women.

having said that apkistan is not going to go away and neither is the taliban taking over except a few areas.

Will die its natural death if you help it.

Sanatani

#256 by RiazHaq

..your cohort quoted Irfan Husain, but have you heard or read about Pervez Hoodbhoy? He is highly critical of Pak govt, army and ISI, and he is not only alive and well, he actually works as a head of Physics dept at Islamabad University, and paid by the govt.

Someone actually compared you with Captain Clueless aka bulleya. I'm now seriously inclined to agree with him.

Do you know the difference between chalk and cheese? That's what is the difference between Arundhati Roy and Pervez Hoodbhoy. Pervez Hoodbhoy may actually be a lot of things, is he anti-Pakistan? OTOH, Arundhati Roy is against the very idea of India. She tore up the Indian passport in public. Can Hoodbhoy even think of doing something as radical as that?

....while ignoring the horrible plight of the other half of India that constitutes the world's largest share population of the poor and hungry, living in conditions worst than sub-Saharan Africa.

What is with this statement? Is it the favorite of Pakis? Every Paki quotes this at one time or the other. But seriously, unlike you guys, Indians don't live on foreign aid obtained through blackmail or selling Pakis to Americans. India has to earn every rupee on its own and not depend on international "khairaat".

Re: # 271 nkg....

Hold on...don't go so fast...You start with one thing on BJP and than go on to cover so many different things in one small interaction.

But that was interesting...

Re: # 265
SPY...
That was one of the most stupid decisions,any govt. has taken so far....BJP is more driven by rhetoric than sense of practice....There was no reason, GoI should have gone for testing thermo nuclear device in Pokhran. It was much driven by political motivation than anything related to science and technology...they would have got off the self technology from Russia (like Pakistan got it from China, though A Q Khan, a lab technician, is getting the status of Albert Einsteine in Pakistan for this)...This stupid act has costed India most in defence sector...I was surprised to see, how, having one of the best brains (Arun Shourie, Prmod Mahajan etc...) can commit such mistake by poking China at that time....Parliament attack and all these jihadi problem is basicaly financed by China and executed by Pakis with sufficient help from local muslas.....At least, India do not have any power to break this nexus ( neither they can kick all muslas from India, neither they are financialy and militarily stronger than China to stop china from supporting Paki terror apparatus... Being a typical musla country in this region, Pakistan and Bangladesh will play major role in future Allahoo Kabooms accross india....)