Common Pakistanis US Foreign Policy

I do hope I am wrong but, given their high level of motivation, extraordinary commitment and readiness to die for their cause (however misguided it may be), it looks more and more likely now that the Taliban will defeat both the US and Pak military forces to assert control over the whole region after a historic bloodbath, claiming millions of innocent lives. And then they will turn back the clock by several centuries.

Only a dramatic change in US policy can avert this horrible specter. I do hope that the Obama administration's ongoing strategic review leads to fundamental changes in America's posture in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

For more, please read: http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/03/pakistans-demise-imminent.html
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

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[...Only a dramatic change in US policy can avert this horrible specter...]

Yep, there is nothing pakis would/could do to avert the "specter" - pakis are always innocent bystanders... Pakiland has a 500K standing "well-trained" army - but still they can't take on a rag-tag bunch of jihadis in their own backyard... And pakis have collected billions in terms cash and hardware from US for that purpose...

This is kind of BS propounded by well-informed pakis like Riaz Haq - even though they know exactly what the problem is...

Nassim Yaar:
It is so nice of you to sit here in USA in comfort and dish out all sorts of advice to Pakistanis and S.Asians.
But haven't you read history of S.Asia and why Pakistan- the Muslim Paradise- has descended into present state of misery and Chaos? It is a good idea of Pakistanis to set their house in order first before you comment on Umricans and Indians etc. To start with get off addiction to Koran and Islam. read about other things a little. Then talk later.

Kamath

major and Kamath,

It seems to me that no discussion is ever complete without "good neighborly" commentators such as you demonstrating your extreme bigotry and spewing of deep venom against your neighbors on this forum. It is clear from a series of comments from you that you are absolutely incapable of any objectives thinking or civil discourse when it comes to any discussion of Pakistan or Muslims.

I am afraid that your toxic attitude is likely to contribute to the kind of horrible specter I am talking about.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Riaz, sure. Whatcha gonna do abt it?

Mr Hassan,

""The learning of English will expose the students to a whole new area of thinking and ideas. They will learn how other nations progressed while the Muslim world lagged behind. With the current explosion of knowledge on the net, these people will be able to link with the outside world.""

The 19 911 hijackers all spoke english. The buggers who were responsible for the 7/7 all spoke english. I think they were employed as well. Nowadays, Homeland Security belives the next US attack will likely be from British born Pakistanis.

As long as this mentality of "we have been wronged; we are the victims of injustice & Allah has given us a divine mandate to kill all kafirs" persists, this war isnt going to be over. It is because of that kind of mentality that educated English speaking guys like Urstruly & Hamid Gul actually believe that 911 was caused by the CIA/Mossad nexus.

If you want the US to leave Afghanistan, give them OBL & cronies. Then they will leave. Trust me, no American likes to have their sons & daughters in that godforsaken place.

If the Pashtun code of honor is to protect their "guests", pashtuns will die...its their fault...yeah..blame that on the Americans.

I find it laughable that Pakistanis actually believe the mujahadeen defeated the Soviets. If it wasnt for American help, they would still be ruled by the Russians.

Pakistanis are trying that stunt in Kashmir, for 10 yrs...what has that gotten them?...jack s*it!!! Yeah its the same bloody mujahadeen. When will you guys get in in your thick heads that Pakistan has never WON a single war in its blighted history.

Even the american born paki can't suppress his pakiness.

Funny how his "pakiland the poor victim" piece leaves out the part about pakiland's continuing support to islamic fundamentalism...

#4 Posted by MadrassaAlumni Worldwide

[It seems to me that no discussion is ever complete without "good neighborly" commentators such as you demonstrating your extreme bigotry and spewing of deep venom against your neighbors....]

Yes, all Indians should reciprocate the "good neighborly" attitude shown by Pakis. Especially now that we had to shift the IPL to another country to escape their neighborliness.


[It is clear from a series of comments from you that you are absolutely incapable of any objectives thinking...]

Yes, Indians are completely incapable of objective thinking, unlike Pakis.

[...or civil discourse...]

Yes, Pakis excel at anything to do with civility - such as civil society, secular society, secular constitution etc. etc.

Author writes:

When the drone attacks kill a few so-called Al-Qaida people, invariably many innocent people lose their lives too. The people killed have tribal, ethnic and religious ties. So each innocent person killed creates at least ten insurgents who are willing to lay down their lives......The loss of human lives radicalizes a large segment of non-Pashtun population all across Pakistan. Religious preachers exhort other Muslims to stand up and fight the foreign occupation forces in the name of religion. Any Pakistani ruler who sides with the US is seen as a puppet.

I do not think it is a Freudian slip on part of the author but it is exactly a statement of fact. The question is why aren't the so called seculars and liberals outraged when their country is attacked and fellow citizens killed by a colonial imperial power? Why it is only the responsibility of the religious ones to not only show their outrage but also take practical measures to defend the sovereinty of their motherland. Whether it is the war of independence of 1857, or war against the soviet aggression of Muslim lands or war for the liberation of Kashmir, it is religious right who has to fight all wars and offer sacrifices. The question is why are seculars and librals so bayghairat? Don't they feel anything when their country is run over by a colonial power and shed blood of their fellow citizens?.

The answer to these questions lies in this article itself. The author represents the typical slave mind that 90 years of British occupation has left among us. Now instead of offering solution to the problem that would result in the expulsion of American imperial/colonial aggression against Muslim lands, the author is offering advise as to how to strengthen this occupation and aggression. The author offers advice after advice as to how the British occuptaion of our land became successful and how Americans should try it too. inna lilahe wan inaelihe rajoon,

This is the mind of a slave and it is a typical representive of our ruling elite. It is the result of 90 years of mental conditioning of colonial occupation that has resulted in this degree of inferiority complex.

But rest assured, the days of those like you have been numbered.

Riaz Khan

Dude, you are right... I admit, it's all my fault... 70 people were blown-up in some mosque in pakiland today - that's all because of me and other bhindian's big0try and hate... yep, blame it on us....

you are freaking genius dude... LOL

Any group or nation that wants to have successful relations with Pakistan and the Muslim World must respect Islam.


Teri maa ki .... saale you vermin openly try to decimate your minorities and want respect in return ,,,, even in places you are minority ... u try to proselytize the vermin cult and kill those who try to escape Islam. ...and now beg for respect ....

This is a fight between good and evil. And I know which side I am on.

To the abusive commentators who continue their bigoted campaign of vulgarities on this forum, let me quote Iqbal:

Phool ki patti se kut sakta hay heeray ka jigar
Mard-e-nadaaN per kalaam-e-narm-o-nazook be asar


Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

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wow, pretty stunning stuff..basically comes down to the idea that pakistanis are a crazy bunch of islamist nut jobs and america haters...and the US better give them a LOT OF MONEY right now !! Or else these nutjobs will go completely crazy.

This fellow claims to be an american...amazing, is there some genetic transform that makes people develop these crazy opinions???? I mean look just yesterday the Tata Nano was released in india, the whole world was watching this solid advance in low-cost travel. Its the same people but there is something in paki culture that leads to this victim complex and "give me something for free" mentality.

It cannot be a muslim thing either. I mean india is jammed with muslim enterprenuers, teachers, workers - and in the US we have Fareed Zakaria, Muqtedar Khan and all sorts of cool indian muslims.

So it does boggle the mind..danish cartoons are more important than girls going to school and becoming literate...pakistan ka matlab kaya...now we know..

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Nasim: You are making a fundamental mistake in your article, as clearly indicated when you conclude "even committed fundamentalists of all types will take note of its (US) good intentions."

That is, you assume it is the US that needs to prove its "good intentions", and assume that the fundamentalists have no bad intentions.

As for the US, do you seriously think that the US has any problem with Islam? If so, how do you explain that you mosques are not only permitted, they enjoy all the tax breaks, police protection and traffic control services during eid as any church or synagogue??

As for the fundamentalists - you ignore their evil ways, burning schools, beheading helpless prisoners, trying to force their way into becoming autocrats. A

I am amazed that such obvious points should escape your attention.