USA's New Afghan Strategy

#77 "USA supported bosnian muslims because russians supported serbia"

Not exactly. The USA came to the rescue of the bosnians after muslims watched idly by as tens of thousands of muslim women were raped, thousands of muslim men brutally killed, in bosnia. If it was simply because "russians supported serbia", the US would have stepped in on day 1.

btw, Where were you then???? Not a peep out of the clowns of the muslim world at the time.

Pavo...
you are far senior to me and definitely know more. But, I find no reason, why USA will try to destabilize Pakistan. What will they achieve from chaotic Pakistan? Regarding Afghan war, Pakistan was involved in the war, much for it's own stake than that of USA. If Russian backed govt. was installed in Afghanistan, Pakistan would have faced problem from 3 sides (Iran, India and Afghanistan)...So, what Zia had done is for the sake of Pakistan and got nice support from USA.....

akcheema #: "it is as much Pakistan's war as the 'jihad' against the Soviets ... that led to destruction of Afghanistan for years to come at the hands on none other than the Pakistanis themselves (directly and indirectly) "

.....i am not sure what this has to do with actually staying involved in this war......

russians, americans, and pakistanis (in that order) have destroyed afghanistan......no one is debating that......i have been working with afghanis, recently......had a detailed discussion with him, on this subject.....he told me the most hated people in afghanistan right now, are americans........followed by pakistan......interestingly, he told me russians aren't really hated.....and indians are the most popular......

.....in any case the first afghan war wasn't pakistan's war either.......pakistan, for no rhyme or reason, became a frontline us ally.....and destroyed itself in the process....

....the second one is definitely not pakistan's war......were the afghanis going to attack pakistan?.....were the tribal area folks going to attack pakistan?.......were the taliban going to attack pakistan?......

how in the world was pakistan threatened by afghanistan.......why jump in with the usa?......into an unwinnable war......

......pakistan should have dumped the taliban (shouldn't have supported them in the first place)......and then told the usa to fight the war by itself in afghanistan.....it should never have agreed to the logistical supply line to the war.......once one joins the logistics, one becomes part of the war.......as we can see......

........pakistan needs to get out of this war....and then start cleaning up the blowback mess in pakistan......for its own good.......not because the usa wants it to do more.......

i am surprised at all the gung-ho expatriates from pakistan (and india) who want pakistan to be on the forefront of this self-destructive unwinnable war......if they are so into it, why don't they volunteer for the usa army and get deployed to afghanistan, to fight in gwot.......

Re: # 77
pavo...
Russians are communists. They neither support muslas, nor the jews...they are anti-israel and anti-pakistan for the same reason...it is not proper to say Russians are sympathetic to muslim world...so are the chinkus...if some country, which sided with muslem countries consistantly, that is India (until recently and except Pakistan)...India had far better relationship with Indonesia, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Palestine than most of the other muslim countries....and the way GoI dole money for Haj etc...

U S of A has no binding for Christians, Moslems etc...
Apart from Israel, they will dump any country, including GB....if moslem world provided enough support to Israel, they would have got true friend in U S A. At least, for last couple of decades, moslem countries needed U S of A more than the vice versa....
Suppose US of A had not intervened in Afghan conflict. Do you feel Russians would have spared Pakistan after capturing Afghanistan? You Pakistanis are real *****.....

Re: # 71

Madani sahib:

"...China has devasted Pakistani Industires and they manupulate all time and smuggle and dump officially..."

This is one of the most profound statements expressed on Chowk. Chinese have a used export based manufacturing complex, then will crush their competition or if they get hostage (in case of Pakistan) they will kill them, and not bring back the prisoners.

Chinese have muscles (reserves) to ensure their lead. It is one thing to be a competitor (USA), and another to be a hostage (Pakistan).

Amin sahib:

Why do you expect love between nations? Nations have interests and people have friends (love). I fail to see the point you are making with the statement about USA, Bosnia, Afghanistan and Russia.

Right now the U.S. is not in Afghanistan to contain Russia.

I am certain your strategic thinking must be based on above facts.

USA supported bosnian muslims because russians supported serbia ,this is a matter of policy , muslims were used as stupid tools in afghanistan by USA and in Bosnia and now kosovo,all in opposition to russia,this does not make USA anything in love with muslims,the USA is happy both ways i.e if a muslim is killed or a russian is killed ,they see both as snakes of different colours,ha ha ha
Agha Amin

SC restores Shahbaz Sharif as CM Punjab
Updated at: 1305 PST, Tuesday, March 31, 2009
ISLAMABAD: The Supreme Court of Pakistan has issued a stay order on Tuesday against the disqualification of Pakistan Muslim League-N President Mian Shahbaz Sharif. Mian Shahbaz Sharif has been restored as Chief Minister of Punjab immediately following the issuance of the stay order.

The apex court bench, headed by Justice Tassaduq Hussain Jilani, heard Sharif brothers’ eligibility case. According to the verdict, Shahbaz Sharif's government has been restored and he will continue serving as chief minister till the Supreme Court passes a final verdict into Sharif brothers’ eligibility case.


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the ilks of tahmed might call this restoration of judiciary. The reality is that this confirms that there is now law or justice in pakistan, who ever appoints a judge will see that the court will support him. Now nawaz has put the judges back, and he can expect total support from the CJ. Pathetic...the sharia and taliban are much better than this sham of courts and judges.

Good to see the latest jihadi attack in lahore. The same madrassa products, some join the paki army, the other joins the jihadi.

The police are under civilian control, the paki army does not like it and hence the isi has coordinated this attack.

Do not forget the attack on the srilankans, as I said, no one will be arrested, now they have an enquiry by a judge into teh cricket attack, no crimal actions, no police involved, simply because it was an isis operation.

The latest lahore attack also is by the isi. One jihadi has been caught....wait..he had an afhgahn passport in his pocket...proof of of foreign involvement...isi is trying very hard.

Re: # 67
Pavo...
"the USSR was a great friend of Muslims..."

LOL...after hellfire missiles started raining on Pakiland, USSR/Russia had become friend of muslas!!!!...

BTW, Russians supported Serbians during Balkan crisis and still Pakis burn Russian flag supporting musla rebels in Chechnia....
Pavo, is this kind of show of gratitude, related to Russia allowing Chinkus to export RD33 engine to Pakistan?

Re: # 18
"....you have a keen eye my friend...."

And your friend had only opened just ONE eye that fateful morning!

:)

bulleya [[......to say, it was pakisatan's war is ridiculous......it never was......never follow a losing cause....]]

it is as much Pakistan's war as the 'jihad' against the Soviets ... that led to destruction of Afghanistan for years to come at the hands on none other than the Pakistanis themselves (directly and indirectly)

Re: # 67 American are mercantile people and enterprising they will eat and throw bones.
Chinese put americas to shame , they will chew bones and eat.
At height of Vietnam war when Russians were sending Ships carrying supplies at hyphang and getting bombed Chinese were holding Soivet frieghters of train and Poor Uncle Ho had to fly raining bombs going to Chinese to beg to release supplies so SA missiles start flyinng.
China has devasted Pakistani Industires and they manupulate all time and smuggle and dump officially. It is even hard for officials to say the truth as it is against friendly policy.
China as mastered great demeaner of politeness and cutting chunk of flesh they want. They are so smooth talking, they will pull your gold tooth and you will have to thank them for their help.
Any way we are happy people , god is great.
Good afternoon.

Re: # 67; pavocavalry

[[.If you study the Russians and compare them with chinese or USA , the Russians are far superior]]

I agree witn you on that ... after Afghanistan an ongoing influence of ideas from that part of the world would have been a positive thing for Pakistan too (imo)

Field Marshall Romair,

Re: 65

......to say, it was pakisatan's war is ridiculous......it never was......never follow a losing cause.....

If my memory serves me right, you were rather enthusiastic about US invasion of A'stan in 2001 even more so than Tahmed chachoo's support of invasion of Iraq. While he had merely penned a qasida in favour of Yanks, you had actually wished you cud give up your day job to join the invasion.

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