The Stranger

#39 Iron mask, Parthaab is a communist.....not quite a bleeding Hindu!

#38 Why brainwashed, can't I believe it? What's the brazen manner you're objecting to? I'll tell you now that circumcision of babies in my opinion amounts to genital mutilation, but Tahir won't like it one bit.

my god, Parthaab babooo and Tahir babooon together on the same platform in total agreement........


This is a scary scenario....this is really amazing. The the begining of MRU(misogynists R us)

Well done Nida, you have done something which would have been impossible on Chowk - got a bleeding hindu and a regressive islamist together on the same platform.

You have succeeded beyond your wildest imagination

Re: # 37
nb,

I believe you are either mad, or just a very dangerously brainwashed feminist to comment about serious male rights issues in such a brazen manner. And I tend to believe the latter is the case.

#36 Parthaab, do you realise the inappropriateness in talking to Muslim men about the misandrous nature of circumcision? I am sure Tahir believes God ordained it.

While political parties are falling over each other, trying to get the attention of WOMEN, for their votes, MEN have been left literally speechless - without even a voice for themselves!

Media advertisements, from domestic cleaning agents, to car insurance, to pet food, ALL routinely portray gender roles where women are the smart, cool, sophisticated and innocent gender, and men are the complacent, retarded, pathetic gender. Thus, misandry is being softly 'legalised' by the media - as being perfectly normal and natural.

The areas of misandry include, for eg., :

1. Ragging
2. Circumcision
3. Conscription
4. Unequal taxation
5. Unequal benefits in old age
6. Misandrous laws in divorce, such as dowry laws
7. Unmonitored recruitment practices
8. Alimony in divorces
9. Child custody in divorces
10. Encouragement to male children to improve performance in exams, etc. etc.

Ironically, it is the ruling Congress that has given most money for feminist causes, and created draconian misandrous laws. Under its rule, the ONLY graph to sky rocket, has been divorce! Many elderly men and innocent women have suffered to conseqences of women biased laws passed by the Congress. No wonder, these elderly men and women will votes with fires burning in the pits of their stomachs.

But will their feelings be assuaged, unless men themselves realise the tremendous evil, including the misandrous media, behind the forces against their gender?

WAKE UP MALES! SPEAK UP!

Re: # 33

tahir,

I would like to inform you, since you seem to be interested in the definition of misandry, that chowk has now deleted may of my comments.

This leads me to believe that there is truth in the allegations that chowk.com employs censorship unfairly, and with a view purely to silence free expression of views.

I am therefore considering Truly free blogs, that are also popular.

Tahir, where does it say in the Quran that you must take theka of what all Muslim women are doing?

Are you Muslim woman Nida?

An article that displays no shame in the concluding lines.

Why must you write like THIS, where's the subtle style?

Only fallen men fall for fallen women (happy Parthaab?).

Thank you, shandana and zhohaq! Your comments are invaluable. I do hope to improve.

Re: # 30

Good one, Kausar begum :P At least some Muslim women are emancipated enough. :D

While the media keeps harping on the 'atrocities heaped upon the weaker gender', here are actual events on the ground, that no one ever hears about :

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Woman-held-for-cheating-10-husban ds/articleshow/4363634.cms

Re: # 25

It is nothing to do with this article in particular.

The WHOLE of the media is biased against males. Male bashing is APPROVED off by society. Even now, as I write, I see this advert on TV, where the old man is forgetful about his younger days, while his intelligent wife keeps correcting him proudly. Sexism is obvious. And there is no chargesheet! Misandrous adverts of this sort are soo common, that people simply do not even notice - imagine their self esteem is they did notice the silent misandry! Adverts routinely show the male as stupid while the women is intelligent and smart. This article is just a TINY bit of the male bashing engaged in by the whole of the media.

WAKE UP MALES! SPEAK UP!

#15 Parthaab
Many of your points are true, but they are some pitfalls one must avoid & caveats one must acknowledge.

1. Every one must acknowledge that terrible things do happen to women in our country(KaroKari,marriage ,Stove burnings, rape etc) The fact that because of misplaced notions of decency or honor,society, men or religious authorities stay quite about it gives these feminazis a chance to hijack tragedies for their misplaced causes in which invariably the drag their country and their religion in the mire (eg Mukhtara mai case, (No one remembers a local imam first brought it to attention of the loacl sindhi press)

2. Do not fall into the apologist trap by making ludicrous statements like women and mean are are exactly equal i.e with exactly same abilities. That simply isn't biologically true.This notion has led to tragedies like inducting women into active fighting military units and the air force.War is a ugly dirty thing a women is unfit for active field duty only because if ever captured(Or even while serving with her comrades) she will have to undergo a most terrible mental and physical torture due to her innate sexual vulnerability

3. Unlearn free market modern truisms. A women who is a housewife with five children is supposed to be "unemployed". All her labor through out her life is unacknowledged by the economy and state and sometimes family & society. Its because of these misunderstanding of roles that a women taking care of a family is made to feel inferior to a women pursuing a career.Or makes women try to juggle duel roles of a family and a career with the associated guilt of doing two half jobs .Society should recognize a homemaker labor and the state should acknowledge this as employment and provide any associated benefits.

4. If you have to apply (or criticize) Islamic law regarding women ,please do it in its entirety not peace meal. Most Islamic laws dealing with issues pertaining to women aren't applied in our society(eg. Haq e meher, the right of divorce, her share in inheritance, laws regarding zina bil jabbar and against defamation, contraception, actual requirements of the veil). Applying selectively few laws is making a mockery of your religion and giving feminazis a chance to call your beliefs medieval, or worse try their hand at "reinterpreting" your religion.

5. The west will always try to make your system of belief look inadequate or wrong by highlighting tragedies that can happen anywhere.The idea is to piss you off. Any person willing to sell himself is richly rewarded that is why the illegal immigrant Ayaan Hirsi Ali is A dutch MP & and the mediocre novelist Salman rushdie is Sir Salman Rushdie.Do not get emotional on such issues and recognize them as opportunist and sell outs. Also note that your local feminazis being sellout will never recognize tragedies which happen to women in the west( Destruction of the institution marriage, the impossible life of a single mother, domestic violence especially against pregnant women(see American statistical figures they are shocking),Incest,Rape and violence openly advocated,objectification of the women body, aberrations like the porn industry).

6. Finally never be afraid of being called names. They may call you a chauvinist,misogynist,obscurantist or even a pervert (lol). The only reason ever for name calling is to shut a person up who is making a valid point.

Reply #25 Nida

No Nida there is no reason you should. Yes I did join today and so far so good. On rereading my previous comment its a bit harsh sounding, this wasn't intended,your writing style and the character development is of the kind which I personally like, that why I wanted the story to go for the jugular(The Crux of the story is of women being robbed of her identity and autonomy if I am not wrong).You take criticism positively which means you are destined get better & better.

hey nida,

i thoroughly enjoyed reading this. you have a sense of rhythm, an eye for details (autopilot mommy for e.g. hell yeah :) and the ability to inhabit your characters as you write them. i also liked the love making at the end- though i was unsure if she stood up on the bed to undress (a little dangerous if you have a low fan no?) or stood by the bed- a lot of pakistani women writers skip those bits entirely .

looking forward to reading more by you.

sm