Nida Maqsud April 3, 2009
#25 Posted by rhymingreason on April 5, 2009 8:42:44 am
thank you, leenah and zhohaq! i appreciate your feedback.
zhohaq, i noticed you just became a member of chowk today. do i know you?
parthaab, your theory about the media spinning feminism to suit the feminists might have some substance. after all, we all know the media can spin circles around us any day, whether it's making us believe that the war on terror is really a war on terror and not a US policy to impose control over poorer countries, or that all these long marches in Pakistan are just creating havoc rather than influencing change. BUT that doesn't mean that women's right to equal treatment isn't violated every day, and that certain women (like the protagonist in this story) are brought up to feel like real validation is only that which comes from a man (be it her father, husband, or son). the latter is actually much more common than you think.
zhohaq, i noticed you just became a member of chowk today. do i know you?
parthaab, your theory about the media spinning feminism to suit the feminists might have some substance. after all, we all know the media can spin circles around us any day, whether it's making us believe that the war on terror is really a war on terror and not a US policy to impose control over poorer countries, or that all these long marches in Pakistan are just creating havoc rather than influencing change. BUT that doesn't mean that women's right to equal treatment isn't violated every day, and that certain women (like the protagonist in this story) are brought up to feel like real validation is only that which comes from a man (be it her father, husband, or son). the latter is actually much more common than you think.
#24 Posted by nkg on April 5, 2009 6:07:27 am
Re: # 10
nb...
In ancient age, women used to be treated more than equal to men....the proportion of greek godesses and Indian goddesses prove this....the situation worsened during medieval period...
nb...
In ancient age, women used to be treated more than equal to men....the proportion of greek godesses and Indian goddesses prove this....the situation worsened during medieval period...
#23 Posted by leenah on April 5, 2009 5:43:29 am
I like it Nida! It is a sensuous story that seems to capture in all the necessary intricate details one would need to 'feel' what the protagonist went through.
Very nice.
Very nice.
#22 Posted by neembu on April 5, 2009 4:35:56 am
nb, education complicates the biological imperative, in my opinion.
#21 Posted by zhohaq on April 5, 2009 3:12:39 am
An easy and interesting read.
the protagonist is a prototypical angst ridden women, the one Ibsen made a living writing about. The aspect of depression(The man in Grey) is also prototypical e.g the bell jar etc. This makes the short story a bit formalistic and the fact nothing really happens leaves the reader underwhelmed. The themes of the protagonist being caged by societal norms and the insttuition of marraige and her descent into self destruction should have been further pursued.
But the writing is top notch soo a great effort.
the protagonist is a prototypical angst ridden women, the one Ibsen made a living writing about. The aspect of depression(The man in Grey) is also prototypical e.g the bell jar etc. This makes the short story a bit formalistic and the fact nothing really happens leaves the reader underwhelmed. The themes of the protagonist being caged by societal norms and the insttuition of marraige and her descent into self destruction should have been further pursued.
But the writing is top notch soo a great effort.
#20 Posted by Fouz on April 5, 2009 2:19:17 am
Re: # 15
Not altogether incorrect, Bhai. And everyone of us has got examples to share and wail about. But we should have an entirely new discussion on this one, no?. I dont suppose the Article, as the author has also pointed out, was really about that.
Not altogether incorrect, Bhai. And everyone of us has got examples to share and wail about. But we should have an entirely new discussion on this one, no?. I dont suppose the Article, as the author has also pointed out, was really about that.
#19 Posted by nb on April 5, 2009 1:31:34 am
Don't go away..what was Quixote ever without his Sancho Panza? Who are the donkeys is what is currently on my mind.
#18 Posted by akcheema on April 5, 2009 1:26:22 am
hmmm .... there definitely is some 'chemistry' at work here ... make myself scarce
#17 Posted by nb on April 5, 2009 1:24:15 am
Parthaaaaab! I was just wondering how long you'd be. How have you been? Are you campaigning for the DMK?
#16 Posted by akcheema on April 5, 2009 1:22:04 am
Parthaab bhai!! welcome back sir
the Pakis feminists are brandishing around a video of some 17 year old female being flogged .... gosh ... honestly!
what these feminists won't do for their evil propaganda eh!
the Pakis feminists are brandishing around a video of some 17 year old female being flogged .... gosh ... honestly!
what these feminists won't do for their evil propaganda eh!
#15 Posted by parthaab on April 5, 2009 1:17:31 am
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#13 Posted by rhymingreason on April 4, 2009 11:45:19 pm
Re: # 5
thank you for your comments, dawa-i-dil. however, i just wanted to clarify. the story is about a woman so depressed, she decides to cut her own legs. i didn't feel like i could avoid talking about her physical world. although sensationalism and vulgarity were by no means my intent. some stories, i feel, require a more elaborate description of, not only the emotional, but also the physical worlds of the characters. otherwise, you, as a reader, can't quite relate.
on another note, although the story was not about men controlling women, it's interesting to see that's what some people picked up on. love the debate!
thank you for your comments, dawa-i-dil. however, i just wanted to clarify. the story is about a woman so depressed, she decides to cut her own legs. i didn't feel like i could avoid talking about her physical world. although sensationalism and vulgarity were by no means my intent. some stories, i feel, require a more elaborate description of, not only the emotional, but also the physical worlds of the characters. otherwise, you, as a reader, can't quite relate.
on another note, although the story was not about men controlling women, it's interesting to see that's what some people picked up on. love the debate!
#11 Posted by neembu on April 4, 2009 3:56:44 pm
Re: # 10
not with education...did biology account for that? ;)
not with education...did biology account for that? ;)
#10 Posted by nb on April 4, 2009 9:21:01 am
#6 Because for centuries, they have controlled almost every aspect of our lives (the weather controlled the other aspects). Being good at pleasing men is probably an evolutionary advantage, since men had no reason to keep you alive if you didn't please them, so why would they pay to feed and clothe you?
This has only not been the case for less than fifty years in most parts of the world, and is still the case in some. It can't just go away.
This has only not been the case for less than fifty years in most parts of the world, and is still the case in some. It can't just go away.
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