Islam vs. Islam

How will it happen?

It will happen when a muslim considers killing of a hindu idolator as a crime towards humanity........

when they consider Jehad as a dirty word........

when they start consider jehadi as kuttas and stop eulogizing them as martyrs.......

will that happen???

I doubt!! I still come back to the question that Jayp raised and which still haunts me......

where does so much of hatred and voilence originate within Islam towards non-muslims???

Islam in India is over 1000 years old but Islamic punishments as practised in Saudi Arabia are considered backward, here. The seperation of state from religion is a work in progress in many countries that otherwise have secular constitutions. The assault that Islam/Muslims have gone through because of some literalist interpretations by zealots, is going to make room for some introspection and I hope alongwith the writer that some day it will make peace with the time.

You have hit the nail on head. Absolutely correct assessment of the situation and can not be put in words better than you have done. Every Muslim in Pakistan and India should read this atleast once. Thanks a million times for writing this.

Islam would give up Jihad.

State and the 'Church' would be separated.

All because someone distributed a video clip of a girl being allegedly flogged in Pakistan?

OK.

The title should have been Ignorance vs Ignorance in the name of Islam. But this is a part of Renaissance evolutionary process and we have to go through it until we refine and have a clear concept of Final Message to mankind from the Creator. That is the last edition of Users Manual for this beautiful machine. If the users don't follow the instructions due to ignorance, it is not MANUFACTURER's fault. Either's user will learn from their mistakes or machines will be dead due to failure in following the instructions. Now don't tell me Owner Manual is not clear or something is wrong in product manufacturing. It is all ignorance and we need to learn how to operate this machine and how they have to be synchronized with other machines so the whole system can run smoothly as porgrammed. Otherwise, these "jolts" and chaos will continue for some more time to come. Then finally, either we will learn it right or whole system will crash. Let's be optimistic and avail the grace time to 'do it right one last time'.

The title should have been Ignorance vs Ignorance in the name of Islam. But this is a part of Renaissance evolutionary process and we have to go through it until we refine and have a clear concept of Final Message to mankind from the Creator. That is the last edition of Users Manual for this beautiful machine. If the users don't follow the instructions due to ignorance, it is not MANUFACTURER's fault. Either's user will learn from their mistakes or machines will be dead due to failure in following the instructions. Now don't tell me Owner Manual is not clear or something is wrong in product manufacturing. It is all ignorance and we need to learn how to operate this machine and how they have to be synchronized with other machines so the whole system can run smoothly as porgrammed. Otherwise, these "jolts" and chaos will continue for some more time to come. Then finally, either we will learn it right or whole system will crash. Let's be optimistic and avail the grace time to 'do it right one last time'.

Today I congratulate everyone because Gen Zia’a dream has been fulfilled as a teenaged girl was flogged in Swat. Also let me congratulate, Imran Khan, the Jama’at-e-Islami leadership, Lt-Gen Hameed Gul, the ANP government in the NWFP, the majority of Urdu-language columnists, some English ones too as they support making deals with Taliban. Video of a young girl being flogged as ‘punishment’ by the Taliban in Swat has shocked everyone in the civilized World. It is shameful that religious parties appeared reluctant to openly condemn the case of lashing of a 17-year-old girl in Swat while not giving any clear statement regarding the unfortunate incident. What a shameful act these so-called Taliban did. I am also proud of those men who were watching this innocent helpless victim of atrocity, watching the spectacle mutely either in approval or dumbfounded and afraid of uttering a word against it lest it be termed as anti-Islam and they themselves were meted out the same treatment. Hearing that poor girl's cries grown up men stood and watched her being beaten just makes me sick to the stomach. What a message we are sending to the civilized World.Jamaat-e-Islami says this is a "minor matter" and people should focus on drone attacks by the US (thus demonstrating their hypocrisy and savagery). This was one of the barbaric acts of Taliban, so far we knew that they hang dead bodies to tress but now we have learned that in the past women were punished like this inside rooms. The videotape shown on television and displayed on websites wasn't the only time that a woman was publicly canned by the Taliban. However, no videotape of the other incident, which took place on Oct 20, 2008, is available in which a woman and her father-in-law were flogged in Ser-Taligram village near Manglawar in Charbagh tehsil. It is also sad to read some people's comments who are living in denial. Those who have a serious doubt as immediately after the whipping the "victim" got up and walked away without a limp." Any sane person would laugh at this nonsense if the situation weren’t so dire. If the video was fake, then why did the Taliban accept responsibility and claim they had done the right thing? Everything is a conspiracy to those who are in state of denial. They have lost ability to think, reason and to be logical. Speaking from psychological point of view that innocent girl must be so embarrassed that she did not want to be there, that’s why she got up fast. Those who are living in denial expect from this girl to say thanks to those Taliban and had offered them flowers, that’s what anyone who is denying this incident expects from that girl. That poor girl must have been in agony and I wonder what happened to her once they took her away. Those who are living in denial, those who think this incident was fake, remember Taliban would publicly whip your sisters, mothers, daughters and wives and when you will get out of your state of denial, it will be too late. It is also unfortunate that ANP leadership has abandoned its own people to the Taliban by making deals with them. No one can give justification for such an act. These handful of people have taken the population hostage, and the government is trying to patronize them. If the state surrenders, what will happen next? Those who are thinking that this video is fake should read writing on the wall. It was indeed like a lash on the faces of the chief minister of NWFP, the prime minister, the president, the legislators and most importantly, on the faces of every civilized Pakistani and Pukhtun . Its also true that the monster of terrorism is indeed on the prowl, unhindered and unchecked, targeting at will whatever and whoever it wants. It is obvious that the state has been unable and unwilling to address the threat posed by Al Qaeda and the Taliban. For the most part, the religious lot of the country has quietly and not so quietly supported the terrorists. The people of Pukhtunkhwa have been held hostage by Taliban, Pukhtuns' land is burning. What Taliban are doing is plain barbarism. When a religion is taken over by militants and zealots this is what you get.

Re: # 1

Islam is a cult of hatred. Till we accept that nothing is going to happen i.e. the onward march of Islam will not be stopped. There is no concept of millitant Islam or fundamentalist Islam ther is just islam and that is that.

You frequently or is it Jayp talk about TNT Islam or other such shit. You are being nothing but useful idiots of Islam. The epicentre of Islamic terrorism is Delhi circa of the 1750. All this starts from Shah Waliullah to Jahandar to Sayyid Ahmed to the Ghazis of the mutiny to Deoband school.

The answer to this is Sikhi and Khalsai. Every Hindu should strive to become a Banda Bahadur an Akali Phoola Singh a Maharaja Ranjit Singh and a Senapati Hari Singh Nalwa. The Khalsa Shri succeeded where the Marathas failed why?

They matched religous fanaticism for religous fanaticism to the power infinity.

And they succeeded as they followed a true creed as opposed to a narcistic self aggarandising murderous one.

O Hindus the path to you is clear ignore it at your own peril.

Sanatani

#5 Catchy, what are your views on flogging?

#5 by Cachy

If the users don't follow the instructions due to ignorance, it is not MANUFACTURER's fault.

Catchy yaar, is it not the manufacturer's fault that he could not produce a manual simple enough to be understood by the most ignorant of users?

#5 by Cachy

If the users don't follow the instructions due to ignorance, it is not MANUFACTURER's fault.

Catchy yaar, is it not the manufacturer's fault that he could not produce a manual simple enough to be understood by the most ignorant of users?

#5 by Cachy

If the users don't follow the instructions due to ignorance, it is not MANUFACTURER's fault.

Catchy yaar, is it not the manufacturer's fault that he could not produce a manual simple enough to be understood by the most ignorant of users?

#5 by Cachy

If the users don't follow the instructions due to ignorance, it is not MANUFACTURER's fault.

Catchy yaar, is it not the manufacturer's fault that he could not produce a manual simple enough to be understood by the most ignorant of users?

#5 by Cachy

If the users don't follow the instructions due to ignorance, it is not MANUFACTURER's fault.

Catchy yaar, is it not the manufacturer's fault that he could not produce a manual simple enough to be understood by the most ignorant of users?

#10-#15 Harish, don't also forget that the manufacturer of the product ( the religion) is allegedly the same as the manufacturer of the users, so shouldn't he have made sure the product and the religion were compatible?

#5 Posted by Cachy on April 7, 2009 6:18:19 pm


If the users don't follow the instructions due to ignorance, it is not MANUFACTURER's fault.


The products came out exactly as designed...the manufacturer, after all, was manufacturing suicide bombs....