Shandana Minhas April 7, 2009
#198 Posted by hamidm2 on April 10, 2009 7:41:41 pm
yaaaaaawn !
.... i come back afeter a whole week of trying to save capitalism and the free market economy and this is what you guys have to offer ???? .........
.....has tahmed solved the taliban problem ?
#197 Posted by bjkumar on April 10, 2009 4:38:03 pm
Re: # 164
[the entire purpose of my writing to date having been making myself popular.]
I was wondering whatever happened to the "old" Shandana. Now we all know that she is still lurking around -- trying hard to remain inconspicuous.
Not so easy, is it?! :)
Thanks again for the witty line(s)! Much appreciated.
(It is difficult to come across a good laugh now-a-days!)
[the entire purpose of my writing to date having been making myself popular.]
I was wondering whatever happened to the "old" Shandana. Now we all know that she is still lurking around -- trying hard to remain inconspicuous.
Not so easy, is it?! :)
Thanks again for the witty line(s)! Much appreciated.
(It is difficult to come across a good laugh now-a-days!)
#196 Posted by pmishra2 on April 10, 2009 12:55:59 pm
dost mittar - I am very much aware of Akbar's declaration - it is just startling to note how clearly indian multi-culturalism was summarized by Ashoka 2400 years ago. And its a bit annoying to hear the usual bakwaas about how islam saved the world from darkness.
I am not sure what Tahmeds issue is - maybe he has some personal thang with greek women (or is it boys?).
I am not sure what Tahmeds issue is - maybe he has some personal thang with greek women (or is it boys?).
#195 Posted by jang on April 10, 2009 12:43:36 pm
nb yar damascus, baghdad were part of cradle of civilization..islamic imperialism brought a new stimulus.
#194 Posted by dost_mittar on April 10, 2009 12:30:27 pm
pmishra2#175:
In fairness, one should add that the Mughal emperor Akbar also made a similar promulgation, although his action was strongly disapproved by Muslim clergy.
In fairness, one should add that the Mughal emperor Akbar also made a similar promulgation, although his action was strongly disapproved by Muslim clergy.
#193 Posted by dost_mittar on April 10, 2009 12:23:28 pm
nb:
"I'm now beginning to think that pre-Islamic Arabia was probably not quite as jaahil as it is made out to be either."
You are quite right. The Prophet's employer and first wife, Khadeeja, was the owner of a successful trading company. Any society where a woman could be an employer and marry someone a lot younger than herself could not have been all that backward.
"I'm now beginning to think that pre-Islamic Arabia was probably not quite as jaahil as it is made out to be either."
You are quite right. The Prophet's employer and first wife, Khadeeja, was the owner of a successful trading company. Any society where a woman could be an employer and marry someone a lot younger than herself could not have been all that backward.
#192 Posted by dost_mittar on April 10, 2009 12:19:43 pm
sattar:
"I am still struggling with relevance of the greek chick to the larger issue …"
I had raised the same question myself. Look, Kalinga battle is a watershed in Indian history as it turned Ashoka from a run-of-the-mill king to a Buddhist and made it his mission to spread the message of Buddha in India and abroad. As for wars, Indics were no stranger to it and indeed two of the favourite Indian epics, Ramayana and Mahabharata, are all about extolling the virtues of a virtuous war, though not in the name of sprading one's faith (neither was the Kalinga war on that account).
As for Chandragupta's claimed marriage to Seleucus's daughter, it is nothing more than a footnote in the Indian history.
"I am still struggling with relevance of the greek chick to the larger issue …"
I had raised the same question myself. Look, Kalinga battle is a watershed in Indian history as it turned Ashoka from a run-of-the-mill king to a Buddhist and made it his mission to spread the message of Buddha in India and abroad. As for wars, Indics were no stranger to it and indeed two of the favourite Indian epics, Ramayana and Mahabharata, are all about extolling the virtues of a virtuous war, though not in the name of sprading one's faith (neither was the Kalinga war on that account).
As for Chandragupta's claimed marriage to Seleucus's daughter, it is nothing more than a footnote in the Indian history.
#191 Posted by sattar2 on April 10, 2009 11:54:09 am
tahmed,
I hate to interrupt your intellectual pursuit … but the evidence of the greek-hindu wedding may be as flimsy as that of an angel talking to an arab in a cave. It may be part hearsay, part embellishment … and those who have been told to believe, continue to believe. I hope that settles it …
What is the relevance of this greek wedding, anyway …?
#190 Posted by tahmed32 on April 10, 2009 10:45:47 am
#189 Next question: How many Indians does it take to answer every question on earth other than the one that was asked?
So...I am still awaiting enlightenment, being an islamo-fascist bedunoid old man paki who is incapable of creating facts as needed like the savants on chowk. So: on what basis are you saying that it is a "fact" that Chandragupta was married to Zorba the Greek's daughter? and no, just saying some historian has something about it in a book is not enough, nor is quoting from something from a Stupa that has the word "greek" on it with reference to a different subject - what did that historian actually write!
Come on Indian jawans and ladies...you can do it. It just needs enough of you to say so, and the lightbulb will screw itself in all by itself!!
So...I am still awaiting enlightenment, being an islamo-fascist bedunoid old man paki who is incapable of creating facts as needed like the savants on chowk. So: on what basis are you saying that it is a "fact" that Chandragupta was married to Zorba the Greek's daughter? and no, just saying some historian has something about it in a book is not enough, nor is quoting from something from a Stupa that has the word "greek" on it with reference to a different subject - what did that historian actually write!
Come on Indian jawans and ladies...you can do it. It just needs enough of you to say so, and the lightbulb will screw itself in all by itself!!
#189 Posted by RiazHaq on April 10, 2009 10:32:35 am
Shandana Minhas: "how many Pakistanis does it take to change a light bulb? One hundred and seventy million and counting…"
Is it really that simple, like changing a light bulb? If it is, isn't it better for you to "change the light bulb" rather than write a long article. As is often said, it's better to light a candle than curse darkness.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
Is it really that simple, like changing a light bulb? If it is, isn't it better for you to "change the light bulb" rather than write a long article. As is often said, it's better to light a candle than curse darkness.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#188 Posted by jang on April 10, 2009 10:25:54 am
sattar this shows how irrelevant lashes are to folks here
#187 Posted by wiseguyin on April 10, 2009 10:25:16 am
Taahir ji .... now that the references to jinns and demons has been quoted .... aap ..
Chup chup baithe ho ... zaroor koi baat hai ...
Kya yahi pehli mulaqat hai??
Chup chup baithe ho ... zaroor koi baat hai ...
Kya yahi pehli mulaqat hai??
#186 Posted by sattar2 on April 10, 2009 10:14:42 am
DM, others,
I am still struggling with relevance of the greek chick to the larger issue …
- Initially, muslim rulers were being criticized for atrocities
- Then someone tried to balance the issue by mentioning that hindu rulers were not much better either … that ashoka's wars resulted in 100ks killed before he realized the futility of it all
- Then someone mentioned a hindu-greek wedding, which has become the focal point here …
I fail to see the relevance. Am I missing something … or is this just another case of intellectual self-fondling …??
I am still struggling with relevance of the greek chick to the larger issue …
- Initially, muslim rulers were being criticized for atrocities
- Then someone tried to balance the issue by mentioning that hindu rulers were not much better either … that ashoka's wars resulted in 100ks killed before he realized the futility of it all
- Then someone mentioned a hindu-greek wedding, which has become the focal point here …
I fail to see the relevance. Am I missing something … or is this just another case of intellectual self-fondling …??
#185 Posted by nemesis3 on April 10, 2009 10:13:15 am
#139 Posted by tahmed32
"Alexander may have heard of him -but unfortunately he had to turn back because the Pakistanis of Multan put a stop to his conquering and sent Alexander packing with an Made in Multan arrow."
#108 Posted by iron_mask
iron_mask! where are you? How dare you say this fellow does not remember anything prior to 1500 AD? See this! Pakistanis and Multan existed in 3rd century BC! Learn some history. Join some madrassa in Pakiland or atleast find out if they teach history through postal correspondence course!!
"Alexander may have heard of him -but unfortunately he had to turn back because the Pakistanis of Multan put a stop to his conquering and sent Alexander packing with an Made in Multan arrow."
#108 Posted by iron_mask
iron_mask! where are you? How dare you say this fellow does not remember anything prior to 1500 AD? See this! Pakistanis and Multan existed in 3rd century BC! Learn some history. Join some madrassa in Pakiland or atleast find out if they teach history through postal correspondence course!!
#184 Posted by wiseguyin on April 10, 2009 10:12:00 am
Re: # 177
beginning to think that pre-Islamic Arabia was probably not quite as jaahil
Of course ... it was pretty normal society ....
If I kill someone, the best way to justify is that he was evil incarnate .... What do you think they would write .... that pre-Islamic society was good ??
beginning to think that pre-Islamic Arabia was probably not quite as jaahil
Of course ... it was pretty normal society ....
If I kill someone, the best way to justify is that he was evil incarnate .... What do you think they would write .... that pre-Islamic society was good ??
#183 Posted by nemesis3 on April 10, 2009 9:45:54 am
History also has that Kalingas shielded on of the conspirator princes of Magadh who plotted to kill Asoka and refused to hand him over to Magadhs, even at the peril of a ghastly war.
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