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Correction to #309

Hasho #286 You are equating military action with military rule. These are two different things.

Hasho #286 You are having equating military action vs military rule. These are two different things.

Hasho:

lets see how effective that "nazar i saani" is. If fazlullah announces the death penalty for ANP ministers and members of parliament for not resigning then and only then can we see a flood of resignations from this lot. ANP as a party has become a "lota" on its mandate.

But in anycase, I had been reading your posts about this whole issue and you always stated that there existed a military mullah nexus that was the strength of this issue.

Do you still believe in that or is the Taliban a totally anti military establishment force that carries the verdict of the Pakistani Pushtoon?

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Re: # 288

GUBO, Grease Up and Bend Over - is the ultimate paki strategy for all tricky situations... pakis have perfected this to an art form... LOL

Adam Khan,
I dont know what you tell you. I guess you are stuck some where.
Afandyar is ready to come out of the central government if Zadari does not sign the deal. He would go to any length to see the deal go thru.
Read this:
http://jang.com.pk/jang/apr2009-daily/12-04-2009/up92.gif

I will write a post on UP for you to read later.

since musharraf has come up in adamkhan's post and capt clueless is lurking

http://www.chowk.com/interacts/5254/1/0/a

#37 Posted by Romair(aka bulleya) on March 5, 2002 2:15:36 am


There were talks of Pakistan turning into Talibanland etc., in a few years or so. I always stated, when push came to shove, the Taliban of Pakistan would crumble. Which is what happened.

I think there will be a shakeup of the thought processes of the Pakistani English speaking intellectuals now. They are begining to realize that there are good people in the Army also. They are begining to realize that Pakistan was never as close to Talibanization as they predicted.

Based on this, what Musharraf has been able to accomplish is incredible. He is now the symbol of Pakistan in the Western media. Just like when the West pictures Iraq, they think Saddam (= bad guy), when it pictures Pakistan, it thinks Musharraf (= good guy). This is now the image of Pakistan in the average American grandmother`s mind, and all the Ganguly`s of the world will not be able change it, provided we play our cards correctly.

#302 Posted by adamkhan on April 12, 2009 1:07:57 pm

yeah..reading's not so hard either..


the majority of pakis who count (i.e. punjabis)


in any case, i don't know what make the average pashtun tick...i can only speak of pakis that really matter i.e. punjabis...and how they think,..

Arjun:

I am talking about the people of the NWFP, the Taliban do not represent them in anyway. Generalizations are easy to make.

fazlullah et al are popular because they are seen as islamic warriors...lets not forget, the majority of pakis who count (i.e. punjabis) were completely on board the lets use the jihadis for strategic depth/core issue thing...9/11 just made it a little inconvenient for pakis in the west to admit their love for jihad...after the targeted deportations of pakis began, hilarity ensued...pakis totally denied they had ever supported the jihadi policies...it was like the SNL skit with hillary denying she had supported the iraq war...

Mushy's unpopularity has everything to do with the drone strikes..the drone strikes burst the paki bubble of self-delusion and made them realize they were being bent over and worked upon..they realized they were really america's female of the canine species when all this time they had deluded themselves into thinking they were some sort of equal partners in the WoT...like the UK..

Please don't tell me pakis actually think that mushy's unpopularity had anything to do with droopy or their new found love for democracy...

Hasho:

The stand of the Taliban is not the stand of the NWFP against the establishment. If you dont have a measure of popular support to these guys then how can you legitmize their reign of terror as the peoples verdict? Sufi Muhammad has been around since 1994, if his was the anti establishment stance that the people cherished then why did they vote in ANP? Swat was doing MUCH MUCH better than many areas of rural Sindh and Punjab, it was one of the last places in Pakistan where the people would be that desperate to resort to beheading police officials.

Your logic could also be applied to justify Musharaf's takeover, people were fed up with the politcians and they wanted musharaf. How is Musharaf on principle any different than Fazlullah, in terms of relying on power (rather than vote) to justify control? Infact Musharaf was MUCH better than the likes of Fazlullah in allowing dissent, yet still most people who are calling fazlullah as the peoples representative were also the most vocal in decrying musharafs rule. what gives? is it only because fazlullah rules in a fringe of Pakistan where as musharaf was in Islamabad?

All these explanations of a "peoples" uprising is a mockery of this whole situation. You are lumping the victims with the victimizers, its simply not fair.

tahmed writes "It provides checks and balances against the "tyranny of the majority""

This phrase "tyranny of the majority" made famous by James Madison in order to subvert democracy by ensuring that the rights of the propertied class are protected as against the ignorance of the masses, according to an elitist point of view. Of course this tyrant tahmed is going to support that BS, to the capitalist the tyranny of the majority is their demand for a just wage, equitable distribution of wealth and basic needs fulfillment. Insert this BS into a democratic system and you ensure that it will be abused to protect the rich minority rather than the oppressed minority. If there is true democracy where people's values are determined through reason and not top down dictation there would be no divisions that lead to a 'tyranny of the majority'. These tricks of the so called 'founding skunks' of the land of tyranny, can fool only dimwits like most of the peons of the west.

TNITC masadi

#213 tahmed32

[that's right. taliban beat women. pious hindus merely kill them - in the fetus, in the kitchen, and (until the brits put an end to it) on funeral pyres.]

Here's why your logic does not hold water.

1) Taliban consistently cite the koran and the hadiths as the source for their actions. The hindus who commit infaticide, bride-burning etc. DO NOT.

2) Taliban's actions has a lot of support in your Paki community. In India, these people are regarded as criminals and despised by EVERYONE in Indian society.

3) Taliban's actions are difficult to prosecute in Paki courts, because Paki law by constitution has to be consistent with the koran, and it is a matter of "interpreting" - for example, how much wife-beating is okay in the koran. The criminals in India are treated exactly as they are - as crminals.

As far as your idiotic contention that the Brits stopped the practice of Sati, it only reveals the typical K for Kafir education system in Pakiland. Hindus like Raja Rammohan Ray and Iswarchandra Vidyasagar had to petition long and hard the then administration (which happened to be British) to get Sati outlawed.

You are a communal Islamist, and should try to talk less. And by the way, contrary to what the koran says, there are NO whouries awaiting you in "jannat", or little boys either. Sorry.

Re: # 162
NB,
"I am leaving you to the loving care of Tahir"

Please don't take up the odd job of introducing strange kinds of love at this love-less website!

:)

#269 Posted by tahmed32

"i dont see any pakistanis chatering about india. no amount of bakwas from you can change that."

Why don't you tell administrators of this blog to have the forum in urdooo? May be promising about a dozen of virgins for participating would do the trick.