Lashes to lashes, dust to dust

#291 Posted by Pew_Research on April 12, 2009 8:54:55 am

" did it occur to you why the mighty Pak Army (not your favorite) stood off 'Two major powers of the world',"
Stood off ...what? They were doing the biddings of those major powers. Even now they strike at will, anywhere in Pakiland, that too operating from Paki soil?

"but crumbled in 14 days in '71?"

Your knowledge of history seems to be poor. Do you know how many unarmed civilians were killed in East Pakistan and how many girls had their nipples bitten off and how much they contributed to the cause of their army by impregnating bengali women with harami would be paki soldiers?

In the last budget the Frontier government has allocated extra half a billion PKR to provide better equipment and training to the police but unfortunately they had to cut the education budget because they didn't get any kind of financial help from the central government.

The Frontier should get extra fund from the central government because of the deteriorating security situation but we know how this fucked up country is run.

Whenever an army fights its own people, it is destined to be defeated. Bengalis would have defeated it but the Indians stepped in to save the army.

Re: # 289 Hasho

That's spine all right! You have it, in fact plenty of it. Now it should be no problem to fix this problem. BTW, while you are on your high horse, did it occur to you why the mighty Pak Army (not your favorite) stood off 'Two major powers of the world', but crumbled in 14 days in '71?
Cheers!

#266 Posted by tahmed32

"hmmm...do I smell cow dung"

Hey, did u hit your head against wall, by chance?

Lets talk abt the spine now.

The Indian nationalism is potato chip thin, a little pressure would break it. Pakistanis are dealing with the Afghan issue for the last 30 yrs. Two major powers of the world placed their armies next to Pakistan. Now the NATO and the US is sitting there with enormous firepower and the Pakistani are still holding up well.

Think of the rolling over of the whole India before the 1200 nomad warriors just a short 1000 yrs ago.

Tahmed:

I have some evidence (albeit anecdotal) that supports your position that the Pak police can't handle the Taliban. At a local favorite kabab joint that I frequent, one of the waiters is a former Pakistani policeman. I asked him what he thought of the lashkars - he said that they are untouchable. They have high level political connections and when an overzelaous investigating officer was assasinated, everyone got the message and no one was ever caught.

The police lack political support at the top - they can do the job if they are made professional, properly resourced and trained - all the things that the Army has. In fact, they may be a whole lot better than the Army to do this job.

There is an element of truth to what Hasho says - the Army has deliberately starved other state organs, even foolishly so, so that it remains the ultimate arbiter. The Army is not a reliable ally in this fight.

You guys need to first put the Army in its place, and then go after the lashkars. Problem is - you have only 6 months left.

Major: What's GUBO?

chacha32 - have you been spanked by taliban yet?... you are talking to too many be-mehram males on internet...lol

Tahmed,
Obviously you had no response to what the army did in its three yrs stay in Swat.
I have no problem with politicians taking time to find a way to fight the taliban. I think the army control of the country will be worst than the Islamists take over of a small part of the country temporarily.
You don't wanna revisit the army nightmarish yrs ever again.

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Re: # 281 Pew

what use is a spine for a paki?... pakis are permanently hunched over in GUBO position.... they GUBO to whoever shows up with Gun, they GUBO to US, they GUBO to taliban.... all the while blaming it all on yahoods and hanoods... LOL

pewresearch: your valuable opinions are of no interest.

#280 HP: I agree the public should put pressure on the politicians too - but the public is complacent; the media talk shows have their heads in the sand, blaming the US for "angering" their "fellow muslim" taliban into taking over Pakistan. These fools will start worhipping even a donkey if it has the lavel "islam" on it; and will reject life-saving medicine with the label "US" on it. And the military itself is fooled by "Islam" (thanks to its poisoning by Zia).

Things have already gone way beyond the ability of the police (despite what you think) - you need heavy weapons, not a lathi and sidearms, to fight the taliban.

So, things dont look good. The good news is - ultimately the fool does the same thing as the wise man. The only question is - will the fools stop babbling about "US drones" and get their heads out of the sand before the taliban start kicking their butts in Islamabad itself.

Re: # 280 Hasho Tahmed

I don't know if you guys noticed, but you look like fellows who were arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as it was going down.

I think that no option (not even the massive US aid package) will work until you guys develop some spine.

Yeah like the army routed the Islamists in Swat when it stayed there for three yrs.

Get over it, it is not the army and especially the Pak army's job to take care of the law and order. Put pressure on the politicians, don't run to the army to solve every problem or you gonna have a bigger problem on hands.

HP 278 that was tried in swat (using FC, police etc.). didnt work. the taliban have better weapons, better tactics, more motivated fighters than the paramilitaries.

and defending against foreign invasion and enforcing if necessary the writ of the civilian government is the reason for existence of the Pakistan military. only the military has the force needed to take out the taiban.