Speculations on Female Sexuality and Religion

Re: # 36

Re-guards,

Miss Leenah didn't refer to ME in her post (right Leenah?).

Who misguided you about my seeing abilities?

"Do you agree to what Quran and hadiths say?"

I've expressed enough about the dubious Ahadith to make many retire prematurely at Chowq! Many narrations go against the spirit of the Quran (and of the Prophets) and don't really explain anything except burden us with chains of narrators! God's Book is self-explanatory and quite sufficient.

I don't know what you wish to hear now.

#Tahir,

You seem to have not seen the boowhoo's post no 30 but have seen hamidm2 in #29, tehshah's #34 and leenah's 31.

Are you a case of short sightedness as mentioned by leenah in #31.

Do you agree to what Quran and hadiths say?

Re: # 34
"....Qurani Allah advising women not to be courteous to men as it may lead to arousal of the disease inherent in their hearts."

That term Qurani Allah sounds very insulting. Who taught you that?

"What is this 'disease' in the hearts of men which flares up even by a soft spoken word by a woman?"

As a man you ought to know what DISEASE the Book's referring to.

"Castration, perhaps?"

No, not that! A thrashing from one's wife perhaps!

A good topic indeed and a timely one at that. But why did the writer forgot to mention the saying of the Qurani Allah advising women not to be courteous to men as it may lead to arousal of the disease inherent in their hearts.

What is this 'disease' in the hearts of men which flares up even by a soft spoken word by a woman? Castration, perhaps?

Re: # 31

Be our guest!

I've tried knocking sense into foolish heads.

Re: # 29
"he is a public figure and runs the same risk of ridicule as paris hilton and hanuman the monkey king .........."

Are these the opening lines from your COMPLETE IDIOT'S GUIDE TO RELIGION?

What a loser; I've lost all hope in you.

But wait, I must pray for your departed soul.

Re: #29

If a person has no ear for music, that does not nullify Bethoven's stature. If a person can not understand Schrodinger's wave equation, that does not put quantum physics to rest.
If you have a weak sight and still insist on reading the book without spectacles, you can not blame the Author for not being comprehendable.

Its neither the Quran, nor the sunnah that suffers from the ignorance of the person. Nay, the loss is not their!

The Qur'an:

Sura (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also Sura (4:176)).

Sura (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists have sometimes creatively tried to explain why a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man's under Islamic law (based on this verse) while still attempting to maintain the semblance of equality. Unfortunately for them, studies consistently show that women are less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they would make more reliable witnesses in any court - were it not for Islam's obvious sexism.

Sura (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"

Sura (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).

Sura (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye.

Sura (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).

Sura (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four"

Sura (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.

Sura (4:24) and Sura (33:52) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage.


From the Hadith:



Bukhari (6:301) - "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"



Bukhari (6:301) - continued - "[Muhammad said] 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her religion.'" Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles.



Bukhari (2:28) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven ever mentioned by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).



Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing that a woman brings to a marriage is between her legs.



Bukhari (62:58) - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he "donates" her on the spot to another man.



Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'"



Abu Dawud (2:704) - "...the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw."



Ishaq 593 - "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another." - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out slave girls to his cronies for sex.



Ishaq 969 - "Men were to lay injunctions on women lightly, for they were prisoners of men and had no control over their persons." - This same text also justifies beating women for flirting.

Re: # 26

rifai mian,

..... the biggest problem with islam is the character of the prophet (pbuhahc) ...... his lifestyle and example is the root cause of taliban and wahabi extremism ..... if it weren't for the dastrardly sunnah we could easily reinterpret the koran to make islam less violent and harmful ........ think about it ...... in any case, he is a public figure and runs the same risk of ridicule as paris hilton and hanuman the monkey king ..........

Re: # 26
Rifai,
"be very careful when u r talking about Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) & his wives (mothers of all muslims"

Join me now, I've been saying the same for a long time at Chowq!

Re: # 25
Ham-Damn2,

Born a Moslem, will die a Moslem? What do you mean MOSLEM?

Please read your interact #23, is that how a born-Moslem speaks of the Prophets and God's Word? I suggest you become a born-AGAIN Moslem because I don't see you deriving any benefit from your status at birth. Look around and see what you've been given in life while you're remained derisive towards Islam!

You act like a half-brother but THIS is my full-brotherly advice to you.

Rabb Raakha.

hi there.i just want to request u that be very careful when u r talking about Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) & his wives (mothers of all muslims).plz think about it...

Re: # 24

tahir mian,

..... and how many times have i told you that i was born a moslem and will remain a moslem till the day i die ..... circumcisioin is an irreversible process and even though i have a morbid fear of being buried alive, i refuse to be cremated - i want to go to heaven and sleep with seventy virgins instead of burning in hell like a ordinary hindoo .........

.... on a serious note, why are moslems (and other religious bigots) so worried about what women say and do? ..... i think it has to do something to feelings of sexual insecurity and inadequacy - what do you think?

Ham-Damn-thank-you-ma'am,

How many times must you prove that you are what you truly are? If you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Happily stay an un-believer.

...... the fact that the prophet (pbuhahc) kept a stable of young fillies and a few toothless nags shows exactly where women stand in islam ...... look, i am not grudging the man his women - actually, i am envious - but, you cant be a prophet and a stud at the same time ...... and i think it was really miserly of him to restrict his followers to four wives when he himself was cavorting with a dozen legally wed wives and a few concubines that his right hand posessed ..... other than that, as a good moslem i have no problem with treating women as chattel if you can get away with it .....

Re: # 21
Mixing sarcasm with religion is what made Rushdie infamous. We don't want to walk that line, do we Fouz?

Certain things may escape ME, but not Him who has created us!

Regards.