Speculations on Female Sexuality and Religion

Re: # 18
I have not singled out the Quran only. Was talking in general about this concept embedded in the major three religions. Hence the male centric scriptures of the same.

As far as the beer/football thing is concerned, there was a subtle hint of sarcasm involved; but perhaps it escaped you.

I am sure Arif if you lived in 600 A.D or 70 B.C.E you might have said similar things as the holy books you generate examples from. Can you see that along with brimstone and fire and hell and angels, humanity was in need for such rhetoric.
No intention of persuading anyone, just want to share my perspective.

Re: # 17
Fouz,

"True female emancipation will come that day when men could sit in the home and let the wife earn so they can spend her money on beer and football tickets."

Your thoughts are pure wishful thinking. I see so harm in that mode of thinking as long as you keep your thoughts to yourself.

Women have a very special status is Islam, they DO NOT have to work as long as their bread-winning husbands, fathers and brothers are alive. But if they wish to work piously and with dignity, Islam does NOT forbid it but the mullah does!

What kind of an idle man is that who drinks beer while his wife works? He must be a certified pimp.

Re: # 17
Fouz,
"One cannot rule out the male-centered focus of all the scriptures since the major religions have this original sin of Eve theory ingrained in their axiomatic teaching."

You have no clue what you're talking about! Where does the Qur'an say that it was Eve (Hawwa) who lured man on Iblees's instructions? Iblees is reported to have softened up Adam through Eve but that's just a theory. (But Satan caused them BOTH to stumble therein...Qur'an 2:36)

Their sin was forgiven once they repented, and that method of saying sorry too was taught to them there and then by God through the very first revelations!

Time to do some reading my friend.

One cannot rule out the male-centered focus of all the scriptures since the major religions have this original sin of Eve theory ingrained in their axiomatic teaching. But even then Quran has achieved the best balance in treatment towards male and females. A simple reading of the Quran and the authentic portrayal of the Prophet's attitude towards people in general and women in particular would reveal that.

Nowadays our regard for all things feminist usually starts and ends up with the issue of veil or the right to abortion, equal employment and suffrage. When we put out women for being a weak creature (in every sense of the word) and men to be ambulant images of God, we are in fact revealing our own weaknesses. Perhaps it is the fate of the son of Adam to be so cowered by women in his later days and after conquering all forces of nature to be defeated by his own lust and fears.

Having said that I do agree with Parthaab that this whole feminine misery and their having a bad deal out of this male dominated society has indeed been blown a bit too much. Or at least without presenting the other side of the picture as well. Men often have to rough it out and they are made to follow their bread winner routine strictly; and considered a failure if they do not happen to stand up to some woman's (mother, girl friend, wife) idea of a successful man. Women on the other hand have a choice of careers, and they often successfully mix it to their advantage. True female emancipation will come that day when men could sit in the home and let the wife earn so they can spend her money on beer and football tickets.

That was supposed to be addressed to AA (not AR)....

Re: # 14
AR,

I wish you well in your STRUGGLE (Jihad), but do make your point cvery clearly in religious matters and without mincing words. I've made my point so I'll see you again later.

I know the sermon you're referring to.

Regards.

Re: # 7
Tahir Sahib:
Did you miss the quote on Prophet's last sermon regarding women? Surely you can see my struggle to reconcile that against the nasty stuff against women in Hadees that cannot possibly have been said by Rasoolallah.
One of the hallmarks of intellectual security is to critically examine ourselves and our belief system, surely Allah is the one that gave me the power of intellectual reasoning, and thus cannot possibly be angry if I employ it every now and then!

Re: # 7
Tahir Sahib:
Did you miss the quote on Prophet's last sermon regarding women? Surely you can see my struggle to reconcile that against the nasty stuff against women in Hadees that cannot possibly have been said by Rasoolallah.
One of the hallmarks of intellectual security is to critically examine ourselves and our belief system, surely Allah is the one that gave me the power of intellectual reasoning, and thus cannot possibly be angry if I employ it every now and then!

Re: # 6
not sure what this dude is trying to say, perhaps it is his ancestors that wrote the Hadees in question.

Re: # 5
No offense taken at all, these are only speculations of what could have been the rationale behind the holy texts that I cited, please do note my struggle to reconcile the Hadees with what Rasoolallah had said in his last sermon!
Also note that i have hardly singled out Islam!!
Note the stuff on Jews and Christians!!

Rashid Sahib (obviously a term of respect)
Appreciate your gesture of endearment, likewise sentiments are reciprocated;
Your thoughtful responses are appreciated as well, as you can see for yourself, I confess my ignorance of Hadees freely, nevertheless, even to non-biased person as me, it appears to me for the most part as folk wisdom, codified into law, immutable and insurmountable by reason or logic of any kind!

cut n paste. I think the robot that does the editing at Chowq has run out of its batteries.

{{Surely one cannot dispute the male (Moses and Abraham) themed nature of Old Testament, Talmud and the Torrah, John the Apostle’s compilation of the Bible, revealing of the Quran by the Archangel Gabriel to Prophet Mohammad.}}

Have you not read about Mary, the Pharoah's wife, Joseph's seducer or Queen Saba in Koran? The holy books are full of discussion about women. Koran has lot of verses and Chapters discussing rights of women and how nice they should be treated.

Arif (friend of The Knower),

This is an incomplete article which only highlights Biblical bias towards women (and they call them woe-men!) which was introduced into Islam through the Ahadith literature.

Please quote where Allah ta'la, through the Qur'an, asks men (na'azu billah) to behave in this objectionalble fashion towards a creation which is supposed to provide spiritual and physical comfort to men (and vice versa)?

The West just loves throwing these Ahadith bricks at us. Please don't join them in this.

Regards.

Your brother in faith.

The trick that they usually employ is this one.

The women's groups come up with a load of hocus-pocus that makes men out to be better treated than women, or that they are far more abusive than is currently recognised. They base these lies on virtually anything that they can get their hands on.

Air will do.

Their feminist cronies in the media wet themselves with delight and publish the falsehoods with large headlines accompanied by exaggerated tales of female misery and woe.

The public is outraged. The politicians are blackmailed (literally) into supporting their malicious causes both vocally and with funding. If they refuse, they are publicly and vociferously castigated as being closet supporters of violence against women and child abuse etc.

In the meantime, the men's groups have no funding to test or to counteract the 'research' and they do not have very much access to willing accomplices in the mainstream media. So there is no protest, and no public outrage at the feminist lies.

http://www.angryharry.com/eswerewomenoppressedinthewest.htm

A few years later, with any luck, someone, somewhere, manages to prove that the feminist groups were lying all along, but it hardly gets a mention in the media. Besides which, it's too late. The damage has been done. The female population has been enraged successfully against men for a few years over the matter (and over all the other slanders against men that are running concurrently) the laws have quickly been changed to disadvantage men, and the feminists just keep coming up with other lies to replace them.