Speculations on Female Sexuality and Religion

Re: # 52

tahir

No sir, I cannot agree with your interpretation which is hardly supported by the text which reads as under:

"# 2:36 (Asad) But Satan caused them both to stumble therein, and thus brought about the loss of their erstwhile state. [29] And so We said: "Down with you, [and be henceforth] enemies unto one another; and on earth you shall have your abode and your livelihood for a while !" [30]"

Mind, Satan was doing all this under a license from Allah for leading people astray as he had alleged Allah had done the same to him by ordering him to bow before Adam, a Non-Allah (gher-allah) made of petty earth, against His most strict standing order for not doing so.

Moreover, the real enemy of the man was his anti-human, woman, who in collusion with the Satan brought down his downfall from heaven and made his life miserable in this world.

Re: # 50
Shah sahib,

"Down with you, [and be henceforth] enemies unto one another; and on earth you shall have your abode and your livelihood for a while !" [30]"

What does this phrase '[and be henceforth] enemies unto one another;'. I wonder: Does this internecine 'enmity' applies to all humanity or only between the man and the woman, in reference with whom it was stated here by the creator?

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Enmity exists between humankind and Iblees, and not between Man and Woman (they're made for one another!). Please read all the verses about )Iblees/Satan and you'll come to know the truth.

:)

A correction to my previous post #50:

The word 'mean' may please be added at the end of the third line from bottom.

Re: # 46

tahir

Thank you for the courteous response.

Your query seemed to be vague. However I found the following references from the 'islamicity.com' which I think relevant to the topic:

"2.34, 17.61, 20.120, 20.121, 7.22"

While going through the Quran this verse struck me:

"# 2:36 (Asad) But Satan caused them both to stumble therein, and thus brought about the loss of their erstwhile state. [29] And so We said: "Down with you, [and be henceforth] enemies unto one another; and on earth you shall have your abode and your livelihood for a while !" [30]"

especially the following portion of it:

"Down with you, [and be henceforth] enemies unto one another; and on earth you shall have your abode and your livelihood for a while !" [30]"

What does this phrase '[and be henceforth] enemies unto one another;'.

I wonder: Does this internecine 'enmity' applies to all humanity or only between the man and the woman, in reference with whom it was stated here by the creator?

Re: # 47
Regards,

Please find your answers in my I-log at:

http://chowk.com/ilogs/71849/30139

Re: # 47

Regards,

Find your answers here:

http://chowk.com/ilogs/71849/30139

#43 Tahir
I do not see anything private about discussion on Suras of Quran. I'm not asking you what to recommend to my daughter. That is my business. But your answer will guide me in deciding what to do.

Quran is recommended by yourself as God's book. Are these Suras authentic? Are they applicable and mandatory for all muslims? Do you consider women deciding their own lives/ careers as a prejudice to islam?

Do such Suras guide an ordinary muslim's life? Will you/ he consider women subordinate to you?

Thanks in advance for clear answers with no contorted verbiage;

Re: # 41
Shah sahib,

Please provide me with the reference for:

"Eve, was also provided to Adam, later on, at his own request, born out of that very 'disease' about which the Allah in His Quran warns the woman to be wary."

Subconsciously men are afraid of the potential power that female sexuality can have over them. It is the fear of losing control that makes all patriarchal societies devise ways to curb manifestations of female sexuality. The society may use religion or cultural norms to ensure that women from very early on in their lives are put in their assigned places.
Since education is the first step of releasing this power, throughout the ages and in multiple civilizations the education of girls has been a highly debated topic. For example one of the concerns shown against teaching girls to write is that they may start writing to their lovers.

#40 Your women folk must be a mess for you. My three daughters hold engineers degree with two of them PhD's and one MBA. Two of them hold managerial positions in well know organisations.

They are very rational & professional people and certainly making a mess of philosophical text of bygone authors is not their speciality.

Re: # 38
Re-guards,
"How about Suras from Gods book -Quran? Are they authentic? Do you agree and follow what is mentioned....? I've 3 daughters and one of them is in love with a Muslim boy who seems to love her too. I wonder if I should stop her!!!"

Chowq will soon start a religious Q/A column which I will handle.

:)

Ask these questions privately please.

Regards,

I don't know whether you can stop your daugther, or whether you should.

Here is a discussion that may be of some help.

http://www.sukh-dukh.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=21326&p=1

Re: # 35

tahir

"That term Qurani Allah sounds very insulting. Who taught you that?"

It was Qurani Iblees perhaps who did not want to insult Allah even at the risk of his condemnation by bowing before Adam, a 'gher-allah'(a No-God, made from earth), but was given a licence by Allah to lead people astray instead.

Mind, angels were made to bow only before Adam, a man, whereas the woman, Eve, was also provided to Adam, later on, at his own request, born out of that very 'disease' about which the Allah in His Quran warns the woman to be wary.

A correction to my post at #34:

The sentence 'What is this 'disease' in the hearts of men which flares up even by a soft spoken word by a woman?' may be corrected to read:

'What is rhe treatment of this disease...et seq'

Re: # 38

((((I've 3 daughters and one of them is in love with a Muslim boy who seems to love her too. I wonder if I should stop her!!! ))))

Plz stop her.Why should a Muslim family suffer the mess you have created.

Re: # 38

((((I've 3 daughters and one of them is in love with a Muslim boy who seems to love her too. I wonder if I should stop her!!! ))))

Plz stop her.Why should a Muslim family suffer the mess you have created.

#37 Thanks. It is a plausible response as far as hadiths go.

How about Suras from Gods book -Quran? Are they authentic? Do you agree and follow what is mentioned by boowhoo?

I've 3 daughters and one of them is in love with a Muslim boy who seems to love her too. I wonder if I should stop her!!!