Speculations on Female Sexuality and Religion

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." --Albert Einstein

"Could it be that we are afraid of our own taboo lust and amorous desires?"
It is obvious that sex is one issue that humans have been trying to grapple with. The power of sexual lust subjugates the warrior. Civilization until now has not learnt to be ambivalent to it like they are with other anatomical necessities. Sexual morality of medieval times still prevail in the sense that satiating sexual desire could accompany guilt. We are still conditioned in the old ways.

This is a highly complex topic, and not one that can be covered in one article.
It is obvious to all those but the most blinded that religion is one of the most effective fetters of women, and that much organised religion was only founded to keep women under control. The rest is just so much window dressing,

Arif Mian( a term of endearment)
Let us define “Religion�-- Set of spiritual dogmas pertaining to theology propagated by the Priests and Clergy of that particular religious “Church� (Church is a generic term).
Hence every Religion has its own Church.
Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc all have their own Churches, and Muslims (People of all sects and denominations) huddled under the cover-name of Islam, that is of Quranic teachings, have their various churches as well.
BUT ISLAM HAS NO CHURCH AND HENCE NO PRIESTHOOD (Quran Ref. 10-35,36)

It is obvious that you have quoted from various Hadis, the corpus of apocrypha from Central Asia compiled two centuries after Quran.
Any body with slight knowledge of Quran knows that what ever ‘God Said’ came down to the believers through ‘inspiration’ to Muhammad and ALL that is in his Risaalah called Quran, and that is why he is a Rasool.
Out side his Risaalah there is no room for any other hadis. “Then in which hadis will they then believe in ( Quran Ref 45-6, 7-185).

When talking about gender issues in Islam, one should quote the original and not the ‘Number Two’- a term one is given to understand, commonly used in the sub-continent for every thing “Naqlee�. But Quran is “the best Hadis for Believers it says. (Ref 39-23�).

Now the matter under discussion—MAN is afraid of the ‘disease in his own heart’ and for example, to restrain himself transgressing the accepted norms of civilized society has put the whole burden of his protection on the Female, so much so that the mere sight of her clad-body excites him and so he has covered her from tip to toe ( often in black or blue in Afghanistan). To enforce this he has taken the prop of “Religion� by giving the apocrypha you quoted, the holy status! In doing so he has forgotten the fact that God “….covers all evil doers as it were, with pieces from the depth of the darkness of night…� (Ref 10-27). So MAN in his haste has opted to punish the female in advance through hadis—traditions, customs, falsehood etc!!

Iqbal had said—dil soz say khaalee hai, nighaa paak nahin
Heart is insensitive, glances are shifty!
Phir iss may ajab kiya hai keh tu bebaak nahin
It is not strange then that you are not forthright and open!!

Assalam to every1
hey i'm a new member here at chowk & i'll be sorry if i m going to offend u by giving comments at this matter.so plz excuse me & be kind.
first of all u stated some Hadith along with their references. now i don't know that from where have u read them i mean from which book because in good books by good scholars they write & explain the background, situation, reason & its implementation today.so if u will check it u normally don't have a doubt.
secondly matter is that when we have a doubt about a hadith with an authentic reference, we normally questioned about its authenticity.actually the problem is that we don't really know the position of Hadith in Islam, its background,its compilation (which my dear fellow said that hadith were compiled after 200 years & the truth is that many companions e.g Hazrat Ali RA has a collection of hadith with them in the life of Hazrat Muhammad PBUH).further details & references will be provided if u r interested.
the role of women in a society which sorry to say we don't know & realize. a women is stated as a key to ultimate success (ticket to Jannah)as "a mother", a key to very peaceful & successful life in the world as "a wife", a blessing of Allah Talah for both the lives (this & the other) as "a daughter" but their is no status of women as a friend,girlfriend,prostitute, mistress,legal partner (lesbian),blah blah blah...i can provide u further details on the role & significance of women in Islam & its role in building a strong moral structure of a society & in its destruction. but keep in mind that the responsibility of a women is on four men (father,brother,husband & son)so man is also held responsible & will face the consequences if not fulfilling his responsibilities & duties.
i have to go but i can provide further details at this topic.
forgive me if i have offended u in any way
Allah Hafiz

The trick that they usually employ is this one.

The women's groups come up with a load of hocus-pocus that makes men out to be better treated than women, or that they are far more abusive than is currently recognised. They base these lies on virtually anything that they can get their hands on.

Air will do.

Their feminist cronies in the media wet themselves with delight and publish the falsehoods with large headlines accompanied by exaggerated tales of female misery and woe.

The public is outraged. The politicians are blackmailed (literally) into supporting their malicious causes both vocally and with funding. If they refuse, they are publicly and vociferously castigated as being closet supporters of violence against women and child abuse etc.

In the meantime, the men's groups have no funding to test or to counteract the 'research' and they do not have very much access to willing accomplices in the mainstream media. So there is no protest, and no public outrage at the feminist lies.

http://www.angryharry.com/eswerewomenoppressedinthewest.htm

A few years later, with any luck, someone, somewhere, manages to prove that the feminist groups were lying all along, but it hardly gets a mention in the media. Besides which, it's too late. The damage has been done. The female population has been enraged successfully against men for a few years over the matter (and over all the other slanders against men that are running concurrently) the laws have quickly been changed to disadvantage men, and the feminists just keep coming up with other lies to replace them.

Arif (friend of The Knower),

This is an incomplete article which only highlights Biblical bias towards women (and they call them woe-men!) which was introduced into Islam through the Ahadith literature.

Please quote where Allah ta'la, through the Qur'an, asks men (na'azu billah) to behave in this objectionalble fashion towards a creation which is supposed to provide spiritual and physical comfort to men (and vice versa)?

The West just loves throwing these Ahadith bricks at us. Please don't join them in this.

Regards.

Your brother in faith.

{{Surely one cannot dispute the male (Moses and Abraham) themed nature of Old Testament, Talmud and the Torrah, John the Apostle’s compilation of the Bible, revealing of the Quran by the Archangel Gabriel to Prophet Mohammad.}}

Have you not read about Mary, the Pharoah's wife, Joseph's seducer or Queen Saba in Koran? The holy books are full of discussion about women. Koran has lot of verses and Chapters discussing rights of women and how nice they should be treated.

cut n paste. I think the robot that does the editing at Chowq has run out of its batteries.

Rashid Sahib (obviously a term of respect)
Appreciate your gesture of endearment, likewise sentiments are reciprocated;
Your thoughtful responses are appreciated as well, as you can see for yourself, I confess my ignorance of Hadees freely, nevertheless, even to non-biased person as me, it appears to me for the most part as folk wisdom, codified into law, immutable and insurmountable by reason or logic of any kind!

Re: # 5
No offense taken at all, these are only speculations of what could have been the rationale behind the holy texts that I cited, please do note my struggle to reconcile the Hadees with what Rasoolallah had said in his last sermon!
Also note that i have hardly singled out Islam!!
Note the stuff on Jews and Christians!!

Re: # 6
not sure what this dude is trying to say, perhaps it is his ancestors that wrote the Hadees in question.

Re: # 7
Tahir Sahib:
Did you miss the quote on Prophet's last sermon regarding women? Surely you can see my struggle to reconcile that against the nasty stuff against women in Hadees that cannot possibly have been said by Rasoolallah.
One of the hallmarks of intellectual security is to critically examine ourselves and our belief system, surely Allah is the one that gave me the power of intellectual reasoning, and thus cannot possibly be angry if I employ it every now and then!

Re: # 7
Tahir Sahib:
Did you miss the quote on Prophet's last sermon regarding women? Surely you can see my struggle to reconcile that against the nasty stuff against women in Hadees that cannot possibly have been said by Rasoolallah.
One of the hallmarks of intellectual security is to critically examine ourselves and our belief system, surely Allah is the one that gave me the power of intellectual reasoning, and thus cannot possibly be angry if I employ it every now and then!

Re: # 14
AR,

I wish you well in your STRUGGLE (Jihad), but do make your point cvery clearly in religious matters and without mincing words. I've made my point so I'll see you again later.

I know the sermon you're referring to.

Regards.

That was supposed to be addressed to AA (not AR)....