Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan's Death

Re: # 479: "like i tell my friend tahmed, pease pull your head out of the sand ...... the first step towards a cure is recognizing the fact that you suffer from camel flu ........"

The disease of depression, that causes you to see the glass as completely empty, not just half empty, is far worse than the "camel flu" that you think affects people who have not been within miles of any camel. While the "camel flu', if there is such a thing, can be cured by a dose of Tamiflu, your depression can not be cured by repeated massive doses of Prozac. The only cure for it lies within you...and that is to see that there are sign of hope an progress in the midst of serious challenges and prevailing doom and gloom. You can't see these signs of hope if you do not consciously and deliberately look for them.

Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

#479 hamidm, these BS rants are fine and dandy but you conveniently forget the fact that for the past over 50 years, Pakistan has been fighting U.S. wars, concentrating on enriching its generals and whoring the nation through military rule to the objects of your worship, the U.S. elite. Its potential has achieved great results for the Americans and that is why whenever they want to start a global war without end they home in on Pakistan and its military. If that potential was directed towards industrialization and building civilian institutions, you can bet your (swine) a$$ that these Malaysias and Taiwans and Koreas couldn't hold a candle to us. The fact is your class has been in bed with the military from the very beginning and your kind of sellouts have benefited from this predatory relationship with the people setup by the Pakistan Military in Pakistan. It is a god damned miracle that the people still survive and go to work and negotiate their day to day existence- much greater than any "potential" with the Wall Street banker when he goes to his office everyday planning and conniving how he is going to fleece the little man through debt.

TNITC masadi

Re: # 481
[...why did it take so long for us to recognize the reality of the taliban?...]

that's because - you are busy branding people as pundit-hate everytime they pointed this obvious reality... LOL... "Reality of taliban" was pretty obvious years ago, but - as arjun mian says - you pakis always live in PakiWorld(TM) where reality has trouble getting in...

Anyhoo - better late than never...

I don't understand why people are allowed to get away with calling "Hindus" as Pakistan's enemies. First of all, not all Hindus want to destroy Pakistan. Secondly, India is not a Hindu country. Thirdly, Pakistan I believe, has normal relations with the only "Hindu" country in the world, namely Nepal. Clearly the third point proves that there's nothing in Hinduism that is fundamentally antagonistic toward Pakistan.

Please stop mixing Hinduism with Indian foreign policy.

I cannot imagine what sort of pressure Hindus in Pakistan must feel every time some nutjob in Pakistan calls Hindus the enemy.

hamidm #479 i dont think you understand the situation pakistan is in - it is now defending itself from this deadly onslaught. in other words, it is at war.

and in wartime, indivduals like you ("Ready, Surrender, Declare we are Fked!!) are called "defeatists". Considered as dangerous as saboteurs.

So, it is you who needs to take your head out of the sand, rather than bleating "we are fked" from the safety and comfort of the Utah while Pakistani soldiers are fighting these devils who were allowed into Pakistan by your "rising sun" musharraf.

#480 the question we should ask is - why did it take so long for us to recognize the reality of the taliban? these are a bunch of throat-slitting bandits with overinflated ambitions of not just preying upon the odd victim here or there, but upon an entire nation!!

Re: # 478, 479, 476, 474,

This is really troubling, folks.

The TTP spokesperson Muslim Khan says that the those whose throats were slit deserved it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP0eUmXF7bU

If this isn't enough, here is a link containing propaganda videos being circulated by Taliban showing beheadings of our beloved soldiers by these barbarians (caution: this is very violent material and you should only watch it at your own discression. For several days, we have been debating whether we should distribute it but have finally very reluctantly decided to do so because we need to recognize the this ugly reality of what we are facing)
http://islamabadobserver.com/2009/04/25/new-leaked-videos-of-taliban-be heading/

and here is a new blog on the Taliban's violance, containing more reports and videos:
http://talibanviolence.wordpress.com/

So streight from the horse's mouth. No more room for denial. Those Taliban sympathisers who used to defend them by denying their role in these brutal killings must now face reality. Like it or not, they are really as barbaric as they have been portrayed. It's time to stand up to them and bring an end to their brutality.

Re: # 478

riaz mian,

.... like i tell my friend tahmed, pease pull your head out of the sand ...... the first step towards a cure is recognizing the fact that you suffer from camel flu ........

..... the fact of the matter is that you cannot have much of a textile industry when there is no power supply for sixteen hours a day in faisalabad ...... a car dealer friend of mine who sold over three thousand cars sold barely six hundred last year and another friend who supplies parts to japananese and european customers had to set up operations in thailand and is looking at vietnam to keep his customers - they do not want to get caught with their pants down by the taliban ..... and don't tell me about the car dealers in detroit - there is no comparison ....... in the last two three years my sister has been robbed three times - once at gun point - and her tenants were murdered by their servant - all this within a mile of ghq ...... and you can get run over by a hungry crowd if you try to distribute roti from a tandoor at peshawar more which is a few miles from the parliament ........... the good news is that you can buy a four hundred dollar pair of designer sunglasses for three hundred from shaheen opticians in super market if you want to risk going out .........

.... the taliban are just a symptom of the disease that afflicts the entire nation ......

Re: # 460: "i hate to point this out - specilly when we have the horrible hindoos listening in - but where there is smoke, there is fire ........ pakistan is a fckued up country and most of its citizens are in a state of denial ...... there is no "economy, business and industry, financial services sector, defense production capabilities, manufacturing sector, educational institutions, science and technology base" to speak of because there is no rule of law, corruption is rampant and the security situation worse than baghdad ......."

I think your ignorance is compounded by your stubbornness to stay ignorant....as demonstrated by your assertion of falsehoods in your comments. With friends like you joining with "horrible Hindus", as you describe them, to bash Pakistan, who needs enemies. You talk about the Taliban being an existential threat to Pakistan. Your renunciation of your faith and the denunciation of Muslims does not bother me as much as the pervasive pessimism you reinforce here on Chowk. It is far more of a threat to the future of Pakistan than anything else you say or do.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 462

tahmed mian,

.... you reminded me of the dhobi's starving and abused jackass ..... on the other hand, i am like the wild jackass who might not have any 'potential' but at least i am not deluded and having some fun ............ unfortunately, we both remain jackasses (pakis); fortunately we are better looking than hindoos ............

"(b) Where I live, an unfortunate consequence of the activities of the poonjabis and others is that every South Asian wants disassociate themselves from them. This is sad since such a seperation does not one any good"

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I agree. Both with how Indians are beginning to disassociate themselves with Pakistanis, and how it is not healthy either. Btw, alot of those Indians are Poooonjabis too!

Dash_Dot, you really should buy and read Kenan Malik's new book, 'From Fatwa to Jihad', he traces exactly how this has happened, the rise of the influence of the Jamaati and Maududi disciples, and by implication touches on the breakdown of Indian-Pakistani unity in the UK.

"Don't the Tally Bans remind you of those Hindutva dudes in BangaLore who pull down skirts of women having beers in bars, pulling them by their hair, and burning Valentine Day cards to stay warm?"

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No, those asssholes remind me of the original Tally Bans from your neck of the woods. Taliban have become the default comparison. That's why they are called the Hindu Taliban.

Re: # 473
well that is deliberate because when you genuinely want to make a point you are perfectly articulate. Any how, keep up the good work and just be equal to all.

Re: # 472 my misunderstanding Skeptical.....I blame the bada patiala Pegs from last night :D

And many thanks for the compliment. BTW that "incoherence" is not deliberate - it is genuine ....

Re: # 470
First of all, my reference was not to MUSLIM behaviour in general but chowk interacts. In internet at least we cannot conduct suicide attacks.
Those who interact at chowk are less than the extreme hardcore variety and Riaz Ahmed is frankly less bigot than many other muslim as well as hindu interactors.
I think its the fact that you are a muslim yourself and in your bid to prove secularism and unbiasdness you bend too much on one side. Like Noam Chomsky who is prepared to criticise Israel rather too much to prove his left wing credentials despite being a jew.
Regarding your brilliance, well frankly in my humble opinion you are brilliant in your interacts. I love the deliberate "incoherence" which you at times adopt. Your interacts are thought provoking and devoid of logical fallacies.

Re: # 470 I forgot to add,

above all I am a safron undy wearing hindutva bigot who an make ranjith, gujju and everyone around look like liberal secularist.

:D :P