Too Good To Be True

Re: # 157
So sweet, huh??
This muste be a "layered compliment"
Thanks for reading!
:)

Re: # 156
Still around Tahir. Abhi rukhsati kahan?
Need prayers! Thanks for the "very stimulating discussions"
regards,
A

this one gave me a plaque !
need to see the dentist!

Good-bye all until Abee's RUKHSATI...

Re: # 154 Tehsin sahib

i will reply to ur post tomorrow.

Regards

#119 Posted by philosopher

“All that results when the women in any culture forget ther true womanly function.�

I entirely concur with what you are saying. We perform the best when we remain true to who we are.

But, I am afraid there had to be a ‘but’, which comes up with what you wrote in the last para. Where as Hinduism, Christianity or any other religions or philosophy are dynamic systems and their adherents can reinterpret or even negate their scriptures, the same is not true for Islam, because the word of God is eternal and unchanging from the Muslim perspective. Misogyny comes up in a major way because of permission given for multiple marriages, relative ease of divorce for men as compared to other cultures, rules regarding witnesses and a general sense of treating women as chattel.

Re: # 148
Phil,

"Why haven't i got one yet?Tahir...have u been hacking my messages(PM)???"

Some get it and some don't; aye khayd aye muqaddaraN dee (I'm kidding)!

What is hacking? Something to do with lacking, snacking, packing, sacking, or plain attacking?

Amber Baji

Love and Respect is the greatest emtions and money fade in front of such timeless emotions.Thier timelessness transcends all materials boundaries,luxuries,CEO,cars,bunglows.


I dont say , money dosent matter, but reasonable earning with which you can live happily but with mutual love , respect , pain and care for each other is much much better than pounds and dollars or millions minarates but without respect and love.


Respect which couple give each other is beyond materialism and this spirtual feeling of respect other ,being respected, love your partner and being loved are the priceless emotions which give peace and tranquility and make Jannat living in this world full of misries and where in this age of absurdity , we are in the midst of nowhere, love and respect b/w spouse are those things upon which everything can be sacrificed

Regards

Amber Baji

Love and Respect is the greatest emtions and money fade in front of such timeless emotions.Thier timelessness transcends all materials boundaries,luxuries,CEO,cars,bunglows.


I dont say , money dosent matter, but reasonable earning with which you can live happily but with mutual love , respect , pain and care for each other is much much better than pounds and dollars or millions minarates but without respect and love.


Respect which couple give each other is beyond materialism and this spirtual feeling of respect other ,being respected, love your partner and being loved are the priceless emotions which give peace and tranquility and make Jannat living in this world full of misries and where in this age of absurdity , we are in the midst of nowhere, love and respect b/w spouse are those things upon which everything can be sacrificed

Regards

Re: # 149 missed americanpie

(((this converstaion is starting to bore me)))

We thank God for that.

"come hither coded messages to perfectly good men"

god you are so delusional on both the come hither and good hahahahaha

this converstaion is starting to bore me

Re: # 147 tahir

(( for sending come hither coded messages to perfectly good men.)))

Why haven't i got one yet?Tahir...have u been hacking my messages(PM)???

Re: # 146
Miss Mrikan Bhai,

SPANKED Swat-style, for sending come hither coded messages to perfectly good men.

Return to your bored husband and order a TV dinner, that's the real thing.

spanked?

oh come oh get off your macho testosterone high and have a real converstaion

Re: # 143
Miss Mrikan Bhai,

"what the hell does that mean? do YOU even know? lol"

Nobody can ask me such questions and get away without getting spanked.

"yes and i was even awarded a certificate. hahaha"

Don't laugh too much; I know under what painful circumstances you were awarded the dubious paper.

Return to the Whitewashed House now.

Tehsin sahib

Plz don't forget to read #119.

"I'm a refridgerated diffused Elizabethian distributor to infantile liquidity...."

what the hell does that mean? do YOU even know? lol

"PS: Have you been screened and approved by the Chowq Stuffed to corrupt the yet-to-be-married ladies?"

yes and i was even awarded a certificate. hahaha

Re: # 139
Miss Mrikan Bhai,

"I am a frigid divorced lesbian contributor to juvenile delinquency you know"

What the madame means is:

I'm a refridgerated diffused Elizabethian distributor to infantile liquidity....

PS: Have you been screened and approved by the Chowq Stuffed to corrupt the yet-to-be-married ladies?

oh sorry my mistake. i am at work now and can not go to youtube i was just going by your earlier mentality flow. don't know the song. will check it out later.

Re: # 139 missed americanpie

(((You think showing me soft porn will excite or intimidate me?)))

soft porn? jeez...its a very nice song by Jean Sean.

Hello everybody....is "Ride It" video by jean sean a "soft porn?

You think showing me soft porn will excite or intimidate me?
You have to spell it out for me
I am a frigid divorced lesbian contributor to juvenile delinquency you know

Re: # 137

ok.here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvmaJZY2ImE

Re: # 136 missamericanpie

(((bring it on baby, i am waiting)))

Here is your third lesson.

lol
philosopher you are to funny
and tahir "Don't make promises you can't keep" is my line lol

bring it on baby, i am waiting
haahahahaha

(thanks guys, i needed the laugh this morning)

Re: # 133 Tahir

(((Don't make promises you can't keep; we shall monitor your carnal progress)))

Something is burning here.I SUPPOSE.

Re: # 131 Tahir

(((And philosophers have nothing to do with woe-men.)))

You are an "opportunist" spokesman.

Re: # 130
Phil,

"You are a quick learner.i will help u discover some other natural "feminine" dimensions of "real" woman inside u as well."

Don't make promises you can't keep; we shall monitor your carnal progress.

Re: # 128 Tahir

((It is better than foot fetish!))

Oh, after all u have realized it.chalo...better late than never.

waalaykumul:)

Re: # 127
Miss Mrikan Bhai,

"but then you don't know how to deal with that do you"

How could you--as a real woe-man--forget to use an interrogation mark at the end of your sentence?

And philosophers have nothing to do with woe-men.

Re: # 127 missamericanpie

(((no honey i am a real woman)))

I always knew that after watching those videos u will discover ur "real" womanhood and call a real man(ME) honey.

You are a quick learner.i will help u discover some other natural "feminine" dimensions of "real" woman inside u as well.

Stay around.

Cheers.

Re: # 127
Miss Mrikan Bhai,

"but then you don't know how to deal with that do you"

How could you--as a real woe-man--forget to use an interrogation mark at the end of your sentence?

And philosophers have nothing to do with woe-men.

Re: # 124
Phil,

"plz come out of this spelling fetish"

It is better than foot fetish!

:)

other male id on chowk?

lol...no honey i am a real woman
but then you don't know how to deal with that do you

Re: # 123
Miss Mrikan Bhai,

"i am an atheist but i THANK GOD i am not muslim!!!!!"

Had you been a good Muslim, you wouldn't be an atheist today!

Re: # 123 missamericanpie aka some other "male" ID on chowk.

we also thank God for your not being muslim.

Re: # 121 Tahir

Amaan yaar Tahir...she has quoted it from my #119.don't blame her for that.and plz come out of this spelling fetish.philosophy mein aisee terms gharni partin hain yaar, for the sake of clarity.plz meray bhai.humain kiyon complex ka shikaar kertay ho.Bhai meray...there is a world of a difference b/w grammatical usage and technical usage of language.

and you wonder why the world sees you as the most backward people on earth?

i am an atheist but i THANK GOD i am not muslim!!!!!

Re: # 120 miss blonde

(((Good mothers and joyful wives???? Is that all a woman is suppose to want from life?)))

No, but american women wanna be secretary as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSEY0q1POE0

http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=tcQtVKqlIuQ&feature=related

Re: # 120
Miss Mrikan Bhai,

"true womanly function"

Please spell it out for the benefit of all MAN-kind.

For almost last two centuries now feminists have been indulging in an orgy of finger pointing at men and self-pity.if this attitude had brought them happiness and fulfillment, if feminism(their concept of emancipation) had made them good mothers and joyful wives, or even pleased them with their new 'place' in the world... the game might have been worth the candle.But it is evident that it hasn’t been.The game has brought frigidity, anxiety,a soaring divorce rate, as well as neurosis, lesbianism and juvenile delinquency... All that results when the women in any culture forget ther true womanly function

Good mothers and joyful wives???? Is that all a woman is suppose to want from life?

So feminism is responsible for frigidity, anxiety,a soaring divorce rate, as well as neurosis, lesbianism and juvenile delinquency…….

So what causes males to be gay? Is that the fault of “feminist� too?

You would keep women “in her place� that place being at the feet of man?

What a moronic chauvinistic gender racist statement

Re: # 115 Tehsin sahib

(((I don’t think it would be looks, or sexiness it would be more like strength, ability, character, wealth, stature etc. etc. In other words powerful men are attractive to women just as much as beautiful women are enticing to men)))

Very well said. To say that men and women are the "same" is to deny physical reality.It would just like saying that "A" is "B" not "A".Maleness and femaleness are innate and integral parts of our human design.It takes no leap of imagination to recognize these pretty obvious differences b/w both sexes.

Even from a biological perspective it would be no less bizzare to say that if she walks like a woman, talks like a woman,its a social construction of femininity.To claim that sex is given by the nature and gender is the product of the society is a very height of superficialty.

Because from any philosophical standpoint it would imply that "society" is something outside of "Nature".which is pure stupidity.society itself is the menifestation of natural human potential.Had these differences not been "natural"it would have been impossible for this social dynamics of gender to prevail on such large scale.

To put a blame on "men" for this dynamics of gender of is to consider "men" something outside of nature.After all where have men got these desire from? from some extra-natural source?some people would claim that this dynamic has taken different shapes and "form" in different periods of history.Again the answer is in very much present in this assertion that even though the "form" of the society keeps changing the "essence", nonetheless, remains the same.


No doctrine or ideology for that matter(including Marxism) deals with issue of gender on the "moral" grounds.for marxism this dynamics is the inevitable result of the process of Dialactical process.i'm not advocating physiological determinism here, its just a perspective of different of doctrines on this issues.because most of the people who dearly hold these doctrine,do not consistently apply the methodology of their own ideology on these issues.

For almost last two centuries now feminists have been indulging in an orgy of finger pointing at men and self-pity.if this attitude had brought them happiness and fulfillment, if feminism(their concept of emancipation) had made them good mothers and joyful wives, or even pleased them with their new 'place' in the world... the game might have been worth the candle.But it is evident that it hasn’t been.The game has brought frigidity, anxiety,a soaring divorce rate, as well as neurosis, lesbianism and juvenile delinquency... All that results when the women in any culture forget ther true womanly function.

If we leave our prejudices behind and look a bit deeply into all religious traditions of the world we would see that these tradition(including Hinduism) are not as mysogistic as they seem at first glance.However, as for as the legal status of women is concerned,there is no comparison.Islam wins hands down on this issue.For example, the right of khula, holding property,share in inheritence etc show the protective nature of these rights so that men can't misuse their authourity of "one degree" or the position of the head of the household.But as for as the psychological teachings are concerned, every religion sees this dynamic from the spirtual perspective as well.That,it is through this natural expression and differences they can discover not only their spirtuality but also their true natural potential.That's why they are called "Libaas" of each other in the Quran.This expression of "Libaas" shows the complimentary(non-antagonistic) and creative role of these differences.

Re: # 111

VRV, vrooom....vrrrrroooommm....crash!

"Was Abraham a Muslim?

YES, and he admits that himself in the Quran. Every Prophet submitted to the will of the Creator.

"Was God a cannibal or a mental guy to seek the sacrifice of humans? Why was He bloodthirsty in the first place?"

Nowhere in the Quran (unless you believe corrupted other sources) does Allah ask Prophet Ibrahim to make a human sacrifice of his first-born son! Is that news?

"If God is formless how can have a Will?"

Now you're thinking like the instrument that produced you! Our minds have serious limitations.

Study on your own please.

Re: # 106

Tehsina and Ham-damn-thank-you-ma'am,

Both of you are out of work clowns. I strongly suggest that you refrain from speaking about Prophet Ibrahim in this derogatory fashion or else 'asmani bijli' will reduce you to 'surma' that Iblees might want to use for curing his spiritual blindness.

The key word: REFRAIN.

Re: # 104
Tehsina,

"Moreover it wasn’t his new girlfriend, it was his old wife!!!! Abey! woh bhi zun mureed tha."

Please clarify who you're talking about?

#114 Posted by hamidm2

Now that we are talking sanely let us just dissect this issue. The greatest asset that a woman has in virtue of being a woman is her attractiveness to men. This would include her beauty, allure, and all the attributes that our Philosopher Sahib #40 listed in his prospective wife specs. Similarly what is the most attractive thing that women find in men? I don’t think it would be looks, or sexiness it would be more like strength, ability, character, wealth, stature etc. etc. In other words powerful men are attractive to women just as much as beautiful women are enticing to men.

I think you would agree that extremely beautiful women in the course of history have managed to make tremendous deals for themselves and have laid in their wake trails of broken male hearts. Same is true of powerful men, a lot of women find them irresistible and willingly become part of their harems, mistresses etc. etc.

Now, you would also agree that submitting yourself to uncontrollable desire cannot be called a virtue, it is a flaw. Men are aware of it and so are the women. They know that they are doing something wrong but once they are beautiful women or powerful men their relative positions make it so much easier for them to slip. I am absolutely convinced that they do try to resist it but in the end how much can one resist, they slip and that is what you are holding up to scrutiny. What I am referring to is that I am certain that people like John Edwards didn’t sleep with every woman who presented herself to him because I am certain that he probably got invitations every day but if somebody makes you their project like Lewinsky or many other women do, to bag a powerful man you are liable to succumb some time. Same would be true of extremely attractive women, how long would she resist so many great offers, after all she is a human being.

As far as you and I are concerned we are lucky that at least our wives put up with us and with no offers from others what the heck are you complaining about?

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Tehsin: Are you preaching peace to the peaceful hindoos? That is like hauling coals to Newcastle. Or cow patties to New Delhi.

Guys please! This board was about love and relationships. Lets stay there, we moved to religious myth and are now drifting to an Indo Pak wrestle mania.

Was Abraham a Muslim?

Was God a cannibal or a mental guy to seek the sacrifice of humans?

If God is formless how can have a Will?

[The sheep that was sent by God symbolizes the ''reality'' which is beyond the illusion of appearance]

Why was He bloodthirsty in the first place?

Sacrifice of Prophet Abrahim(pbuh): A philosophical Exposition

Topic started by philosopher on Dec 10, 2008 9:02:34 am

Eid ul adha is the commemoration of the sacrifice of the Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh). This sacrifice shows a very significant dimension of religious epistemology. Not only does it explodes the idea of the 'ethical interpretation of religion' it also shows that religion does not hold an abstarct concept of ethics rather moralities have derivative value in the whole scheme of the religious philosophy. According to religious epistemology ,God is the source of all moralities. Moralities are there only to play a role of guidance for the person involved in the religious activity. According to the Quran, development of perception plays a very important role in intellectual and spirtual development of man. Religious moralities show you the path in the complexity and illusion of appearance to comprehend the reality beyond that. A religious person has always in veiw that commitment to those guidance and will of God. He reaches to the point where he starts comprehending the hitherto unreaveled meaning of the religious language which no lexicographical meaning could possibly reveal.

God put Abraham to a most difficult trial, the details of which are described in the Quran. ?O my Lord! Grant me (Abraham) a righteous (son)! So We gave him the good news of a boy ready to suffer and forbear. Then, when the the son reached the age to work with him, he said: O my son I see in a vision that I offer you in sacrifice: Now say what is your view!? (The son) said: ?O My father! Do as you are commanded: You will find me if God so wills, one practising patience and constancy! So when they had both submitted their wills (to God), and he had made him prostrate on his face (for sacrifice), We called out to him: O Abraham! You have already fulfilled the vision! Thus indeed do we reward those who do right. ?For this was obviously a trial and We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice: and We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later times: (37:100-109).

This is the origin of the Islamic precept of sacrifice in fulfilment of Gods command provided in the Quran: ... to your Lord turn in prayer and sacrifice. (108:2).
The aim of sacrifice, like all other fundamentals of Islam, is to imbibe piety and self righteousness. It also promotes the spirit of sacrifice for a right cause. To explain its purpose, God says in the Quran. It is not their meat, nor their blood, that reaches God, It is their piety that reaches God: (22:37)

Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh) reamaind patient and commited despite his natural love for his son. It shows that real 'momin' has got to see everything with perspective of the will of God. There is a saying of the Holy prophet muhammed(pbuh) '' be ware of the wisdom of the man of faith because he sees with the light of Allah''. At that point you remain patient and commited to the guidance. The sheep that was sent by God symbolizes the ''reality'' which is beyond the illusion of appearance. This shows that the 'Truth' can be found only by following the commands of the God.

[Wrong! Sara was the numero uno wife and she is the one who GAVE Abraham her ‘hand maiden’ to sleep with so that he could have babies.]

Tehsin, It's like the photocopy calling the original fake. LOL!

hamidm #107 So abraham was going to kill his own son because he heard "voices". that is bizarre. maybe you would prefer hazrat Noh then...whose story AFTER the flood (at least per christian literature) is even more interesting than his adventures on the ark..

Re: # 106

bewakoof tehsin,

..... you should not believe everything you read in the koran and other worthless books ....... trust me, i know the inside story ...... next thing you will be telling me that abraham tried to kill ishaq and not our own ismail - that's what the jews say ...... let me tell you, this man abraham was not only a fornicator but he was also schizophrenic - imagine trying to kill your own children .......... every time his name is mentioned i think of charles manson!

#105 Posted by hamidm2

Your senility and lack of trips to the mosque have obscured this essential myth from your brain. So let me try to revive it into your neurons.

“abraham was a real man - he had his way with hagar (and many other concubines) and then got rid of her to stop his other women from nagging him ....... i am sure he found a darn good replacement for hagar .....�

Wrong! Sara was the numero uno wife and she is the one who GAVE Abraham her ‘hand maiden’ to sleep with so that he could have babies. The poor man had no choice and by the way there is no mention of any other concubines. Next when the hand maiden (Hager) had a son, she became uppity and Sara went O Yay? Abraham get rid of her!!! And what did Abraham do? He dutifully as a zun mureed like you, abandoned his only son and his mother to the desert.

“i am sure he found a darn good replacement for hagar�

He didn’t find any replacements for her, no more concubines for him just the 90 year old Sara and guess what, she got pregnant and that is when Ishaq was born and that is where the troubles of Banu Israel started. So forget your lament about company of sissies even your foundational myth is of sissies.

Re: # 104

...tehsin bewakoof! .... it is not my definition of male virtue - it is a description of real men .... abraham was a real man - he had his way with hagar (and many other concubines) and then got rid of her to stop his other women from nagging him ....... i am sure he found a darn good replacement for hagar ..... real men don't have any 'virtue' ..... just look at our future president, newt gingrich - the man was running around with a twenty year old while his wife wad dying of cancer ...... unlike the wimpy john edwards, he dumped his dying wife to get what he wanted ......... if only i had grown up in the company of real man like newt instead of sissies like you i would have had a life worth living .......

#98 Posted by hamidm2

“remember poor hagar? ...... her husband left her to die in the desert just because his new girlfriend was jealous of her!�

What the heck are you talking about, is that your description of male virtue? Moreover it wasn’t his new girlfriend, it was his old wife!!!! Abey! woh bhi zun mureed tha.

Re: # 102

tehsin gaddhay!

..... i hold you personally responsible for my present predicament ...... if i had grown up in the company of 'real' men like jack the zipper welch and shabaz sharif, i would have been a 'real' man too ...... instead i had the misfortune of growing up with sissy boys who grew up to be girlie men like you ..... now we are both living inglorious pathetic lives with women who yell at us for not taking out the trash while other men - real men - are ruling the world surrounded by beautiful women who they throw out for eating crackers in bed ! ............ my misery is your shame .........

#93 Posted by Abee

I think the point of equality is a bit tricky and I thought I had addressed it but it is hard to explain. Men and women are equal and in the domestic scene and in their interpersonal relationship definitely so. But from an external point of view as they present themselves as a unit to society and the world at large, that is where their relatives spheres tend to show the dominance of one over the other. The man in his role as in charge of the external world gives this appearance, he may totally reflect the needs and desires emanating from the home (his wife) the internal universe but it does give that appearance.

I want to reassure you that I am totally convinced about the equality of men and women despite Hamid’s pronouncements. Fact of the matter is that I am convinced that on God’s green earth there is no badmash, lucha, lufunga, terrorist, CEO, vadera, or mullah who does not have a matching woman for him. For each of these super bad macho men there would be a woman who would not only equal them but reduce them to nothing more then diaper duty and grocery shopping. Don’t listen to Hamid and his admiration of his list of HE men, for himself (and let me tell you, I know) begum kay samney kusakta nahin hay. Aur pucho tau baysharmi say kehta hai “why should I rock the boat when things are going well�.

lucky you...!!!

Re: # 99

... not just us but the whole world

Re: # 98; hamidm sahib

[[ hagar ... her husband left her to die in the desert just because his new girlfriend was jealous of her! ]]

and that's what caused all this bother we had to go though!

tehsin mian,

..... let me remind you that your hero, plato, liked boys and was all for pederasty even though he was against homosexuality ........ so was my hero, babur who, had all the women in the world but whose true love was the doe-eyed boy named baburi ........ that is why gilmans are permitted in islam - i am sure you have seen the kohl eyed boys with silk handkershiefs around their necks holding hands with the rich shopkeepers in the bazaars of bannu and mardan ...... powerful and successful men do not like to be told what is proper moral bahaviour - they make the rules! ..... i am sure you know all about edgar j hoover, the most powerful lawman of all times - the man was a cross dressing homosexual who cheated on his boyfriend roy cohn (one of the leading lawyers of his time).......

...... poor abee is in for a rude awakening when she meets a real man ........ as we both know, men are like animals who can be domesticated with offers of biryani and mediocre sex, but can never be trusted .......... remember poor hagar? ...... her husband left her to die in the desert just because his new girlfriend was jealous of her!

and Ms Bokhari ... I don't think hamidm sahib's advice was as 'unethical' as you made it sound ... by constantly reiterating the "i am an old fashioned good girl" routine (which I don't doubt for a second)

Regards

I reckon these notions of romantic love are a bit overrated ... yes it does exist but usually not a lifelong sustainable force

... may be there is a hint in there!

Amber Baji

Love and Respect is the greatest emtions and money fade in front of such timeless emotions.Thier timelessness transcends all materials boundaries,luxuries,CEO,cars,bunglows.


I dont say , money dosent matter, but reasonable earning with which you can live happily but with mutual love , respect , pain and care for each other is much much better than pounds and dollars or millions minarates but without respect and love.


Respect which couple give each other is beyond materialism and this spirtual feeling of respect other ,being respected, love your partner and being loved are the priceless emotions which give peace and tranquility and make Jannat living in this world full of misries and where in this age of absurdity , we are in the midst of nowhere, love and respect b/w spouse are those things upon which everything can be sacrificed

Regards

Re: # 80 Hamidm
What can i say? Wonderful piece of advice but catered to the wrong person:)
I am and always have been an old fashioned good girl. Care about money but not THAT much. Want a companion but not at THIS cost! I am probably cut out to be a CEO of a company and yet be a good wife, mother and grandmother(eventually inshallah) If i had to pick one thing out of an entire buffet of "eligible men" i'd probably go for the commonplace family man who has vision and insight to be someone important but is not too big for his shoes. Someone who will appreciate being loved and cared for and will not be suffocated in an honest relationship. Too 60's for your taste na? I know but as i said, i am an old fashioned good girl.
regards,

Re: # 78 Tehsin
thank you for the compliment Tehsin.
I liked the posted article. it is a good read. I agree partly with what you say, but will respectfully disagree on the point of inequality. men and women are not equal because they are different, not because one is superior and the other inferior. This intimate relationship can only survive when love and respect is given from both sides in generous propotions and obligations are fulfilled before rights are claimed. How many men or women do that? Very few in my experience. And most of all you need to forgive each other for being mutually flawed. I hope i can remember this when i tie the knot and the honeymoon era passes into more mundane routine. I pray that may my husband be more gentle, wise and patient than myself when i get restless and irrational.
Regards,
A

Re: # 77
Tahir gee, spellings to theek hi hain mager aap logon ki posts itne pohnchi hui theen keh mujhe apna naam bhi mushkil hi yaad aaya:)
Bas iltimaas e dua hai.
regards,
A

Re: # 75
What can i say:) Its hilarious and this means that the "anticipated invitations" shall be withheld until further notice. Thank you for the prayers though. Aap se na jootey pilwain gay aur na doodh chpain gay... bas aap dua karein allah sab theek karey:)
regards,

Re: # 88 Tehsin sahib

O.k..yap.. i probably missed the tone of your post.yes i do admit that i didn't read your complete post and presumed on the basis of ur track record that u were being sarcastic there.

Anyways..it was my fault and i do apologize for that.I know that even an agnostic can find some parts of a religion to be convincing on a certain issue.

Sorry for that little misunderstanding again.

I'm outta here.

Regards.

Tehsin and Fillo Suffer, stop fighting or Abee baji will feed you to the dreaded 'bhaoo'.

:)

#82 Posted by philosopher

Philosopher Sahib, You have gone completely mad.

Please read my post again. This is one time that I was affirming entirely, without exception the wisdom emanating from the Quran. Let me reiterate again for your benefit and pay attention to what I wrote in my last para “A woman’s sphere is the household, but more importantly she has to make her husband her universe�

So the hadith and the Quranic ayahs I find them to be right on.

The rest of your rant is entirely a result of previous wounds that you seem to be harboring.

Re: # 78

TehsinA,

You have it all wrong and twisted around your neck.

Use your own head for thinking purposes, and not your local mullah's. May I say PLEASE?

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The questionable faith and belief established about the sayings and narratives:

i) They are equivalent to the Quran.

ii) This is the Revelation form Allah similar to the one Angel Gabriel brought down as Quranic Ayaat.

iii) Its obedience is Rasool-Allah's obedience.

iv) It is Deen.

v) It supersedes and cancels any order of the Quran that is contrary to it.

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Astaghfirullah.....

Abee,

I must warn you about a certain creation of God that liberally swings from trees of stupidity and makes funny sounds on Chowq.

You have the option of complaining directly to Chowq Stuffed.

Re: # 84
Ajeya,

Go back to your cave once you've swung fromn your favourite tree a few dozen times.

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Re: #80
Ham-damn-thank-you-ma'am,

When will you return to infancy and start giving the same advice to your family which you've so liberally dished out to Abee?

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#79 Posted by hamidm2

Why do I always bring out the Darth Vader in you? I think my pronouncements are so entirely ‘goody two shoes’ that you just gag up on them. You just can’t take it, and instead of bringing out the best in all of us and what could be, remind every one of the ugliness of how things really are. Just to irk you a bit more – this is the eternal struggle between Plato’s how things should be and Machiavelli’s how they actually are. You should during your Sanyasi years embrace the good and give up on your Machiavellian approach.

I will pray for you!!!

Re: # 78 teshisn

((( prostration were a legitimate act other than to God, woman should have prostrated to her husband. (TR. P 428) )))

This is a Hadith not the verse of the Quran.If u believe this corrupted hadith literature to be authentic u have to accpet all the miracles attributed to the Prophet(pbuh) mentioned in these books.

Pseudo intellectuals like when are dumped on the intellectual grounds come up with this kinda rhetorical rebuttels like "lack" of women's rights kinda randi rona.

So, yes husband is the head of the household.so...does it prove there is no God? Is it enough reason to consider religion invalid???as for as other grounds for religion being invalid or valid is concerned, i know how great an Intellectual u r.Few days back when i started that debate it went over ur dumb brain by about a mile and u had to run with ur kass.

Nonsense...these things prove nothing.In ISlam both men and women have complete human dignity but they r given rights according their purposes. every doctrine under the sun deal these issues in view of its goal of life.

#79 Hamid "... powerful men are egomaniacs who can get all the women they want and they do ..."

But we the ordinary loyal family men raise nice ethical and successful kids. So there are some rewards.

on the other hand, Hugh Hefner was able to keep excellent relationship with his daughter (the playboy CEO) and gets other fresh rewards on daily basis.

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Re: # 78

tehsin you miserable fool!

..... you know and i know that the only reason to get married is so that you can have legal sex (or, in your case, any sex) ........... so cut out the bs!

..... as for successful men and marriage - they don't go together ...... powerful men are egomaniacs who can get all the women they want and they do ....... abraham, mohammad, king saud, jack kennedy, osama, and all the ceos's other than geaky bill gates .who might surprise us yet once melinda puts on thirty pounds .... ............ even sam walton had a mistress and was known to diddle his cashiers !

........ most ceo's that i know of - and i know quite a few - are letches who go through more 'trophy wives' than you go through underwear

ever heard of "jack the zipper" welch, al "chainsaw" dunlap, ron perlemen the bond king with monica lewinsky ties, dennis kozlowski of tyco, michael jordan of pepsico ............ and the list goes on and on ........ the only exceptioins are larry ellison of oracle and richard branson of virgin who are still single and surrounded by beautiful women ....... all men want to live like mohammed and hugh heffner .... those of us who can't get married ...........

Abee, I really enjoyed your article, it is sincere, from the heart and expresses an emotion that is perhaps the finest that any consciousness can express. But as soon as you do and as is evident from the ensuing discussion here the differences in feelings about love from a male and a female perspective come to the fore. I wrote something on marriage a while back which may answer some of the comments posed, if you could persevere through the long post.

MARRIAGE


As he walked the bride to the car door her Dad uttered this parting advice. “Jao beta! Jao aur hur din upnay shauhar ka dil jeeto.� (Go my dear! Spend each day of the rest of your life earning the love of your husband). These words still resonate with me even after a decade. To me, nothing could be nobler then a woman who makes it her mission in life to be most precious to her husband. She should become what ever he wants her to be. She should doll herself up to be the prettiest, most glamorous, show stopper if that is his desire. The care giver, an anticipator of all his needs, the one who makes his every whim her command and the one who he cant do without. He should feel to be the luckiest man alive, the one who’s every wish and desire are fulfilled because of having her. When he is in her presence he feels fulfilled and cannot wait to get back to her from work. She should be a model of all feminine virtue.

Now let us see in a similar circumstance who should be an ideal groom. He should make this oath “agar tu mill jaey tau mein teray liyay tau aasman say taray bhi torr laon�. In other words he should make an oath to spend the rest of his life earning the world for her – bringing it home to her. He should feel himself so lucky to have her that all he wants to do is to make her happy, bring her presents and provide her with every luxury imaginable. Honey! Look what I brought you. What ever she wishes or desires, she shouldn’t even have to express it before he fulfills it.

Looking at the most triumphant people in America whether presidents or CEOs of major firms one finds that a great number married their high school sweet hearts and those ended up being the most successful ones . In high school the social hierarchy is fairly uncomplicated. The high school football captain usually ends up with the home coming queen. These or similar situations end up becoming permanent liaisons. Is there any great understanding, similarities, career goals, etc. between the football star or the home coming queen? Not really. They are not even sure as to which way is up let alone have a chart for the rest of their lives. So it is not compatibility, similarities etc. Instead both sides are representing male and female virtue at its finest. She is the most beautiful, sweet, accomplished, well liked person in the grade. He represents male virtue being the bravest, a leader, smart, responsible, the one who will get things done. So their spheres are entirely different but when they intertwine they make a perfect whole.

Modern life has some how blurred these lines and have confused us. You don’t need a full time home maker to cook and clean. Routine chores are easy enough that you don’t have to slave away at them. The necessity of two incomes to run a household and all the venues open to find fulfillment outside the home have altered the balance. Till you have children home is nothing more then a place that you crash for the night. It is only when you have kids that it starts gaining importance. Suddenly terms like home, homemaker, care giver etc. have to be confronted.

Despite our progress the spheres continue to remain the same and we are well advised not to meddle with them. A woman’s sphere is the household, but more importantly she has to make her husband her universe. It is just like the universe within. The external universe is the responsibility of the husband. It is his job to bring this external universe to the internal one. Both the universes are connected and dependent on each other and have their own responsibilities. In certain ways they are equal and in fact equally important, but it is easy to see that the external one is larger then the one within and requires greater effort and responsibility. It is here where the Quranic Ayahs provide precise guidance, which sometimes is objected to by the “equal rights for women� crowd.

2:228, And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them.

4:34, Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other.

If prostration were a legitimate act other than to God, woman should have prostrated to her husband. (TR. P 428)

I only wish that I had a few on the other side illuminating responsibilities of men who should be carrying the bigger burden which is implied.

Re: # 73
Abee,
You can't get married unless you improve your spellings!

"exiting everyday'

It should have been EXCITING!

I accept the yet to be printed invitation. Please understand that I only cater to Eastern wedding ceremonies where ONLY the groom gets to implant some saliva on the bride's cheeks--and that too with mommy dear's permission--and the famished 'baratris' stuff themselves with 'pullao-zarda' instead of throwing the edible commodity over the couple.

Full Siphar's anxious attempt to grab the Milky Way now leaves me with only one choice: I can only volunteer for 'baag phaRai' if the groom appears mounted over a steady horse wearing half a dozen 'imam zamins' over his left arm.

Bookings are open!

Re: # 74
Full Siphar,

I'm 899 mice away from performing the mandatory ritual, hence prematurely addressing me as 'al-haaj' will not move my tail.

"...NISWAAR fetish,how many "NISWANIAT se bharpoor" would have been flogged over there?"

Flogging is spiritual SM for the hillian folks.

"well..that's a bit of News for leenah."

What are you trying to say, say it CLEARLY? (Leenah did you hear that?)

Pyar baNtay chalo....

Re: # 73 Abee

ji zaroor kiyon nahin.Aap joota "PIllaee" rasam ke liye Tahir aur un ke friends ko dawat nama bhijwa dijiye ga.jaisay ke unho ne khud bataye hai ke un ke gals college ke baahir joota pillaee ko "negotiate" kernay ka un ke ahbaab ko kitna tajarba hai.

Albata mujhe aap doodh CHupaaee ke liye bulaa sakti hain.mein jaanta hoon ke biliyon se doodh kaisay aur kahan chupaya jaata hai.

Re: # 71 Alhaaj Tahir-ul-Niswaari

Ladies plz don't read this post.

(((Are you serious? A friend from the disturbed areas wants quite the contrary: NISWAARIAT se bharpoor zauja! How can I cure these NISWAAR-khors?)))

Amaan Yaar...see the NISWAARI side of the picture.Just imagine..Had they not been into this "NISWAAR" fetish,how many "NISWANIAT se bharpoor" would have been flogged over there?

((((I'm not friendless, you know))))

well..that's a bit of News for leenah.

(((Yet another friend gave up living a life filled with fantasies the day he got a cruel 'phanty-sy' outside Lahore College For Women's gate!)))

well..i have got no problem in believing that u have got a good "company" out there.

waalykum-ul-Double:)

Re: tahir n philosopher,
Oh my God guys! hahahaha
The posts get more and more enriched and exiting everyday. Ab to wakehi shaadi kerni parrey gi aur poorey chowk walon ko invitation daina parrey ga. Werna eik eham event kam ho jaye ga Lahore mein! Inshallah will tie the "dreaded" knot sometime this year. and of course you guys are welcome provided you help us negotiate the joota chupaii and doodh pilaii. i'm sure you guys will win us half a million dollars or more:)
lolz
A

Re: # 69

All I was doing was holding the umbrella..ella..ella..ooh..aah..ohhhh...

So, :P means tongue out, or after a joke!

Sorry, but Abee doesn't believe in just emoticons!

Re: # 70
Filloso Fur-Fur,

Hellelujah! I've deciphered your 'mukammal' Lashkar language post with great 'tahammul' without disturbing the spirits of any of the dead literary giants.

"niswaniat se bharpoor zauja"

Are you serious? A friend from the disturbed areas wants quite the contrary: NISWAARIAT se bharpoor zauja! How can I cure these NISWAAR-khors?

Yet another friend (I'm not friendless, you know) gave up living a life filled with fantasies the day he got a cruel 'phanty-sy' outside Lahore College For Women's gate!

Double :)

Re: # 67 Haaji Tahir sahib

Mien urdu mein jawab doon ga kiyon ke mein aap ke spelling errors nikalanay ke qaher ka muthamil nahin ho sakoon ga.kiyon ke kaafo mudaat huay chowk per mein aik mubahissa sirf aur sirf is bunyaad per haar chuka hoon ke meray posts mein bohat see spelling errors thin.

aur waisay bhee mein aaj tak "Cenosr" ko "Censor" likhnay kee GHALTI tau kerta hee aaya hoon.isliyee "Cenosr" parhanay ke baad himat nahin paree ke english mein haal-e-takhayol bayaan karoon.

tau hazorr baat ye hai, ke fantasies mein main aik achha rouhaani humsafar(soulmate) bananay kee tayaari kerta hoon.kiyon ke sitmay zamana aur apnay honay waalay FIL kee FIL_osophy se adam dilchaspee bulkay karahat kee waja se abhee tak kanwaara hoon, tau isee haqeeqat ke bawasaf aik achee ghairaloo zindagee ke khawb daikhta hoon jis mein aik niswaniat se bharpoor zauja aur FIL-osophy daunon bayaqwaqt mujhe zehni aur rouhaani sakoon pohchatay hon.Aur meri tehqeeqay naaqis ke mutabiq ikhlaaqi aur nafsiaati hawalay se is mein koi buraayee nahin.ya hai?

lol,
6 consecutive posts and you not under the umbrella? :P

How conveniently all the poets (unformed and half-formed) and all the 'parwanas' (make that 'bhoond ashiqs') stand under one umbrella..ella..ella..ooh..aah..ohhhh...

Abee, don't forget to post an invitation on Chowq when the day (make that, night) comes!

:)

Re: # 46
"....mein ne fantasies mein kaafi tayaree kee huyee hai."

This is the Cenosr again; please explain what you mean by THAT comment? Yes THAT!

Re: # 37
"I pray that may this be the end of a long and tedious search."

Which search engine (in-jun) did you use?

Re: # 30
Regards,

Despite my sincere attempt, you never responded at: http://www.chowk.com/ilogs/71849/30139

Why?

"Why!!! That must be God's sura in Quran!!"

Nope!

:)

Re: # 14
"A woman in our world, never proposes to the man. It is 95% the other way around ( inspite of whatever chowk wants us to believe ). If she does, it has to either be that she is not really that beautiful, or has some other reason why men would not want to live with her. Either that, or he is from some stinking rich family!"

You do have a point which may have been noted by those who wish to benefit!

:)

:)

Re: # 12
Fouz,

"Having said that, tahir that last one you quoted (#9)really had me in stitches. :) Who said that?"

Ain't that sweet?

The one who said it is none other than Oscar Fingal O'Flahertie Wills Wilde!

Abee,
Have you read Brida?

After your article, I had to reread it :)

Re: # 59 Philosopher,

I am grateful for the kindness that you have expressed. My concern was certainly not the intention of 'the' dua. The only thing it reflects is, just as you put it, 'achee feelings'.

May life be a continuum of blessings for all those who care, and care to share the kindness in their souls. Amen

Re: # 58 Abee sis

Thanx.Yap,i agree with u.I was just kidding.Thanx.

Re: # 56 leenah aapa

dua ke liye wahid qualification achee feelings hoti hain, and both u and Abee qualify for that.May Allah bless both of u for that.Amen

Re: # 40
Philosopher jee,
Inshallah aap ko jo mangain gay miley ga, humari duayein aap ke saath hain. lekin khudara aap sirf husn ke shaidaii na banyey, kuch batini khoobian bhi talash keejiay kyunke zindagi ke saath ki soorat haseen ho na ho, seerat acchi honi chahiye. Baaki khana waani pakana sikha lain gay:)
Dua go,
A

Re: # 43
Thank you dawa for the compliments and the prayers:)
may God bless you in all ways. Amen.
Regards,
A

Re: # 46 Philosopher,

Dua kay liay shukria :)

But just to understand, what qualifies me for this?

Sar-o-Bachasm

Aadab

Dawa ji

aap raikhta ke aasman per chamaknay waala sitara hain aur hum tehray charaghay sehri.humain aap kee raikhta kee aafaqi woostaun aur apni narasiyee fikro nazar ka iatraaf hai.

Hum aap se das badast khaistgaar hain ke aap saqeel ilfaaz se ahtraaz farmiaan, kiyoin ke banda nacheez un ke ghahrayee maani ko samjhnay se qaasir hai.

Adaab

Re: # 51 dada

LOL..hum tayar hain.laikin baat aap agay barhain, aakhir aap dada hain.LOL

Re: # 50 dawa

La haul wala quawat...khatoon hum ab tak bhaag chukay huay hain.You can interpret my "bhagna" as an informal retreat and surrender in the face of your "urdu-mullah".

Ishque kee baazi seedhee baazi
dil dai-doa, aur dil lai-lo



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrIU1Mk4qEk

tauba tauba..meri aisi majal...hum to Tifla-i-Maktab hai...Zanooya-i-Talism rahtai hai keh shaid in qadmo me baith kar Yawaqeet-o-Jawahir kee kiuch Boondai samait sakai

Aadab

Re: # 47 dawa

Subhannalah.humay bhaagnay per majboor kiye dai raheen aap khaatoon.

Re: # 41 Fouz uncle
(((Mian itni lambi choari list kay saath to order pay banwana paray gi koi larki tumharay liyay! :) Aqal ko haath maaro aur sirf yeh daikho kay khaana sahi bana sakti ho, baaqi sab chalta hay! )))

Hazoor sirf khanay ka masla hota tau wo tau rookha sookha kahin bhee mil jaata hai, laikin humaray aisay ghurba ke liye "baaqi sab" itni asaani se nahin chalta.

Khair aap tehray civil servent, aap aisee be fiqree afford ker saktay hain.

Philosopher bhai..sorry...bus aalam-e-baikhoodi mai aisa aksar ho jata hai...wardat-e-qalbi mai munhamik aur khyalatata-i-gonagoo jasai zehan kai gheel jaisi satah par Subh-e-Awalee ki Kirnai Mehwa-i-Raqsaa ho... bohat muaffi ...keh arz hai ...Ghaltiya-i-Hai-Mazamee mut pooch ..Log Nalai ko Rasa bandhatai hai (Ghalib)

Aadab

Re: # 42 Leenah

(((Ahhh .....

.... and I thought the discussion was about love and soul mates .... )))

Array Khaatoon Allah aap ka suhaag salamat rakhay, jab tak "body" nahin aaye gee oos waqt soul sirf fantasy mein tau "mate" ban sakti hai haqqeeqat mein nahin.

Aik baar "body" mil jayee oosay "soul" bhee aur "mate" bananay ke liye mein ne fantasies mein kaafi tayaree kee huyee hai.

Oh sorry tie the knot :)

Re: # 43 daw

(Wish you best of luck in future to tie the KNOW)))

Amaan, dawa behen in islam, ab aap ne urdu shairee ke saath saath zuban-e-farang ka bhee naqsha bigarana shrooh ker diya.

Array bibi meri naqis aur kanwaari opinion mein "to the tie the knot" hoti hai.
Agar abhee tak mein ne baandhee nahin tau loagon ko tau baandhtay huay daikhee hai.as they say "parniyee naeen tay janj tay charay aan na"LOL

Wish that all Pakistani Girls think like Amber Baji..sincere...blessed...educated...living in modern era but 100% mashriqi rawayat holder...


Wish you best of luck in future to tie the know soon and with all happiness

Amen

Regards

Ahhh .....

.... and I thought the discussion was about love and soul mates ....

Re: # 40
Mian itni lambi choari list kay saath to order pay banwana paray gi koi larki tumharay liyay! :) Aqal ko haath maaro aur sirf yeh daikho kay khaana sahi bana sakti ho, baaqi sab chalta hay!

Abee behen

Mein bhee abhee tak kanwaar paanay ka azaab jheel raha hoon.Barahay karam apni shaadi ke mubarak din mere liye bhee dua ke jiye ga ke Allah ta'allah mujhe bhee aik nahayat khoobsoorat, feminine, patli patang,narmo-nazuk(in other words exactly opposite to feminazists) zauja se nawaazay. Amen summa amen.

Re: # 35 Khan_Sahib
Thank you for reading and welcome to Chowk. i hope you find a nice comfortable corner here and settle in. I hear you are a doctor! Looking forward to seeing your writing here. Would love some feedback from you as well on my work:)
Regards,
A

Re: # 34 dawa e dil
Hey thanks for the prayers. But we have "just met" and marriage is somewhat far away right now. But i need all your prayers today and always:)
lol
A

Re: # 33
Thank you BJ. The process is not complete but yes, the euphoria has started to set in. I hope he is the one for me.
I pray that may this be the end of a long and tedious search.
Regards,
A

Salam Khan Sahib and welcome to Chowk

Just read your intro.Happy to see you as Tabeeba-i-Dil. Our Country is bleeding due to lack of good medical facilities which indeed much to be blamed to government poor policies and hip hops about new graduates , pay scales etc etc. But someting is beyond perks and prieve. , honour,fame, and money that is serving the homeland which due to which we are at this position. Their Dawa-i-dil is lack of governance but also diaspora and brain drain and lust of luxurious life.

Hope someday , our countrymen who enjoy a lot of luxuries and opportunities will think something about that living as 2nd class citizen have its owns meaning

Regards

Dear Amber,
My first day on Chowk and just finished reading "Too Good to be true"
I have no words to appreciate this as you have described your feelings so well and romantically!
May Allah protect you and your dreams.

Keep Writing!

Amber Baji

So Happy to hear about your marriage.May this bond bring eternal peace and happiness for you in this world

Best Regards

Abee sahib, soul mate mubaarak!

Re: # 29 Fouz
Thank you for the encouragement!
Hafiz has said it all in one verse. Simply superb! Sometimes i feel all the master poets had the same "bekulli" of lovers where their soul was constantly ablaze. I wonder how can one measure the level attained in "ishq"
your observation of the crest and trough in love is so true. It oscillates between exhilaration and sorrow but the aftermath is a perfect peace and tranquility. That must be the closest to attaining Nirvana, right?
Regards,
A

Re: # 28 Echoboom
Beautiful verse... so hopeful, so "Faiz".
Thank you for your prayers. I see a new beginning and need all the prayers in the world. Especially yours which i know have a deeper understanding of who i am and what i need.

I even appreciate the concerns of friend who know i can take long flights of fancy and forget the actual height from which i might crash and hurt myself. Love has many forms and this is just one of them.

Inshallah will be writing as long as i live, because expression sets me free and i volunteered for this bondage to writing:) Someday, i will leave a mark out there as one unique lunatic, dreamer, poet. Would like my friends from Chowk to smile upon these days of struggle.
Thank you for everything. You know how much i appreciate.
Salamet rahein. Ameen.
A

#9 Tahir

"How can a woman be expected to be happy with a man who insists on treating her as if she were a perfectly normal human being.�

--attributed to not me

Why!!! That must be God's sura in Quran!!

To all the incurable romantics (May God increase their tribe):)

As someone who has been there (and how!), I know the feeling. It's everything Amber has so beautifully described; and more. Let not the cynics distract you from this exhilaration by pointing out the inevitable sobering thereafter. Because the settling down in love and that feeling of complete trust in the relationship is as good as the initial intoxication.

Speaking of poetry, echoboom putting up Faiz prompts me no end to share Hafiz who has perhaps said the last word on all things love, viz

Khalal pazeer buwad har bina kay mi bini
Bajuz binayay muhabbat kay khaali az khalal ast!

Should I spoil the music of the words with my rough translation? Okay its something like "All foundations that I see are somehow decaying except that of love which is without any defect"

amber,

this is the best:

"But if i can be crazy enough to love like this, there must be another manufacturing defect out there who will reciprocate. That will be heaven on earth for me."

Umeed,kay Lo Jaga Ghum-e-dil Ka Naseeba
Lo Shauq Ki Tarsi Hoi Shub,ho Gayi Aakhir
Lo Doob Gayay Dard Kay Baykhwaab Sitaray
Ab Chamkay Ga Bay-noor NigahoN Ka Muqqaddar

Is Baam Say Niklay Ga Teray Husn Ka Khursheed
Us Kunj Say Phootay Gi Kiran, Rang Hina Ki
Is Dar Say Bahayga Teray Raftar Ka Seemab
Us Rah Pay Phoolay Gi Shafaq Teri Qaba Ki



I hope (& pray) that you won't find time to write anymore...after your muse and you become yuk-jaan-doa-qualibs...or maybe you'll become do-aatisha.

who knows?..May your marz-i-ishque prosper.

Re: # 25Abee.. there is nothing wrong with your writing skills. Yes hopeless romanticism is under attaack not the command of your language. You write beautifully..

Re: # 24
Thank you for your prayers Leenah. You're too kind.

I know love is one of the gray areas which noone can really define or explain fully. Its like the concept of heavan that really depends on your take on everything in life. I try to portray the world from my viewpoint and i understand that an infinite others exist. Love can be a great joy or an insurmountable sorrow depending on the situation. I'm still learning from life and sharing the peeks i get into this new world.
I love that song as well. Nayyera is truly gifted!
loads of love,
A

Re: # 22
Thank you so much for being there for me. You always bring a smile to my lips. I feel protected as if Farzan bhai is watching out for me like old times.
I'm okay with criticism. It makes me improve my skills:) and nothing revs up a performance more than a critical audience:)
May Allah bless you always and in all ways. Amen.
Regards,
A

The piece is Beautiful! No one can deny the fact that being in love induces the state which is no more, no less than what has been portrayed here. The, however, remains a separate issue whether 'love' does exist or not .....
Obviously one who doesn't believe in love, can not even begin to fathom the absolute surrender of self that this state brings with it.

Abee, your piece brought back the song 'tera sayya' by Nayyara Noor to my memory :)

May you stay happy, always. Ameen

Re: # 19

Sunil,

I am waiting for the day when You cross the limits of 'sense'! :)

Re: # 21
Keep on writing abee. The whole problem is this that we have developed this American Idol mentality where we at times find it necessarry to attack the writer.
But then this is life!!!!!And at times people will appreciate and at times criticize!!!!
For me you will always be special because you are Farzan's little sister...Keep your spirits up

Dear friends,

i would be writing another piece if i answer everyone personally, (though i'd love to do that:)... i will acknowledge the argument/ discussion that has been initiated. And write a few lines in general and some direct "counter arguments"

I am a hopeless romantic and that is no big secret. I still believe in a utopian love and i don't care how bad the crash feels. The very freedom of being able to feel this way makes me happy and yes, the suffering is worth every bit of the joys and insight of love. Since i'm not married, i would not be aware of the misery of marriage and divorce, but i will take the one billionth chance of falling in love and finding my soulmate. Atleast there would still be hope while i breathe. It is still my biggest fear that what if what everyone says is right and there is no such thing. But if i can be crazy enough to love like this, there must be another manufacturing defect out there who will reciprocate. That will be heavan on earth for me. And i would need truckloads of prayers to get me through my optimistic denial. Thank you for reading and sharing.

reply #1 szaman &5 Auroraborealis
I will be writing post marriage too, atleast i'd like to think i would. If i have the same optimism then, please be kind enough to pass on the hope to other novices in love:)

reply #2 Hitman
Nobody says nice things anymore. Atleast noone outside of romantic novels and chick flicks. have you ever seen someone's face when you say something this sweet? It lights up! Mushy love is not overrated, its under expressed.

reply #3 tahir
What can i say? you have me in stitches too! I need to know who wrote those lines of wisdon:)
Actually i mailed it to the man of my dreams:) and the chastity belt is an added bonus! But just for kicks, tell me what would you feel if this was actually written for you by someone like me?? Awesone na? thats the idea!
Thanks for writing!

reply#6 Leenah
Thanks for the advice. i will need loads of it, especially when in a real relationship where the other person is not a figment of my imagination

reply#7 philosopher
now i'm completely lost, should have written it down. haha... to love or not to love, whatis the question?

reply#8 BJ2
i am STILL sixteen and emotionally plan to stay that way. Sadly the biological clock cannot be reset that easily. Too cheezy, huh?

Thank you for the encouragement ejazharoon, fouz and skeptical. Really appreciate:)

reply #17 bhs75
Wonderful story. very romantic. i hope you find a world of happiness with her. One has to feel it to believe it.

reply #14 parthaab
Beautiful women do fall in love parthaab! Innocent expression of love that transcends mundane limits makes her far more attractive. This is not a proposal but a love letter, but even then,why is it unacceptable for a woman to ask a man to be hers? i really appreciate one thing about the western culture, teh fact that they do not feel embaressed in expressing intimate feelings. we are wired this way, why should we supress "innocent" emotions?

Regards,
A

parthaab moshai, aapni ekdom frustru ... ki aapnar bana ta ekdom chotu.....

parthaab,please stay within limits of sense,do not cross

Re: # 17

bha, All men think they invented 'love' personally. But they Dont teach you, that 'love', is nothing but selfishness. You 'love' her for sex, maybe. And she 'loves' you for your money.

You dont tell her the reason for your 'love'. Neither does she tell you hers. The reason being that it is 'inexplicable'. In other words, not social to accept the true reasons openly. And hence, the myth, called love persists.

Until you are brought crashing down to earth by divorce. Which is far more expensive than a mere 'heart-break' - a penalty for not understanding love! So watch out!


WAKE UP MALES! SPEAK UP!

believe all that, I met someone in 1999,at the airport,it was only for a brief moment,we only exchanged names and our flights were ready to board but the face and the last look got stuck in my head and I could not forget it,after 10 years I found her again,again at the airport & I said "I forgot to tell you last time that I "FEEL", she replied "I was looking for you too".

when I was telling myself it's not going to come around again,it happened !!! now I am engaged to her!!! someone I never met in life and only in 5 minutes or so it all changed,then the wait of seeing her again, and ofcourse everyone tells you that you are getting old and what are your plans. my family got irritated with it, I could not tell them anything and I kept myself busy in work, so four of my siblings got married before me.

I look up sometime and wonder how HE plans it all for us, and how you the destinies meet. Love is no joke nor a myth fellas !!! it is real and it happens !!! so don't say love is a bla bla bla just because you had a terrible time dealing with it or your heart never opened up to it, that is all!!!! you don't plan to be in love, planned love is selfish.

#15

Sunil,

I am waiting for the day when You cross the limits of 'sense'! :)

parthaab,you have again crossed limit of nonsense

A woman in our world, never proposes to the man. It is 95% the other way around ( inspite of whatever chowk wants us to believe ). If she does, it has to either be that she is not really that beautiful, or has some other reason why men would not want to live with her. Either that, or he is from some stinking rich family!

Re: # 12
Abee dont be discouraged. Keep it up. I agree with Fouz here. You are a good writer

Re: # 9

Very nice. I hope you don't get discouraged by some of these sanky pundits here who insist on taking out the air from every interesting article only to fill their own heads with it.

Having said that, tahir that last one you quoted (#9)really had me in stitches. :) Who said that?

Enjoy it while it lasts

So when do you turn sixteen?!

"How can a woman be expected to be happy with a man who insists on treating her as if she were a perfectly normal human being.�

--attributed to not me

One should always be in love. That is the reason one should never marry.

In married life three is company and two none.

--attributed to not me

To love is to suffer. To avoid suffering one must not love. But then one suffers from not loving. Therefore to love is to suffer, not to love is to suffer. To suffer is to suffer. To be happy is to love. To be happy then is to suffer. But suffering makes one unhappy. Therefore, to be unhappy one must love, or love to suffer, or suffer from too much happiness. I hope you're getting this down.

Extremely genuine description of someone in love! Kudos to you!

However, I think a piece of advice won't do much harm: When in love, never make a promise.

May life be kind to those in love, for the associated lack of sanity, sometimes brings out really better people ;)

love is way over-rated especially romantic love

Which wise man (maybe that was a woman) said: A woman falls in love before she makes love, a man afterwards?

Szaman,

That's the wisdom of the ages!

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Abee,

You forgot to address it to the man of your dreams!

Short paragraphs look better than a downpour. Nobody can handle so much love a day before the wedding.

What is "I am just too much in love with you"?

'Mad cowly in love with you' or 'romantic terrorism' of some sort?

"Even years before we met, I was saving the best of myself for you."

Let me guess: Chastity belt!

The trick is to say it without using the word LOVE thirteen times!

Coca Cola, ENJOY!

I don't know why women overrate love this much.

Hitman

Wait till you are married to the same person for a few years, then write about it.