Obama's Af-Pak Strategy

ye aleph class 1 hai bhai

what he calls low yield are between 20kt to 100kt weapons. at the low en there are expected to be 60 at the high end 100. so even at the low end they are enough to take oiut the 5 indian metros and there surroung service/industrial base and the 15 class 2 indian cities in short pakistan may go back to the stone age but indian wont escape the bronze age either. the mass of the indian pop will survive but so will the mass of the pak pop, but what will not survive is the skilled set and the industrial/service base

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Hasho Pandhiani #396,

I think a nuclear exchange will be good for you. You might get an independent Sindh (and more water flowing down the Indus once big dams and headworks in Paki Punjab have been obliterated).

It may also be good for the Baluch. They may have a better chance of booting out the Punjabis who have parked their fat behinds in Gwadar.

Algay, that is called gui main dum nahin, batain indians ki kum nahin.

Just to help this fascist, India and Pakistan should fight a nuclear war. what kind of sick, perverts come from India.

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shankar #388,

{{But its no consolation that all the Pentagon computers predict that an indo-Pak war will go nuclear.}}

So let it go nuclear. Some dozens of low-yield nukes are not going to wipe India out. In return, India can take simple steps to ensure that for decades Pakistani Punjab will not be able to sustain a population at anywhere near the current levels. It will be the end of the Punjabi Muslim wannabe Munghol empire. What emerges from the rubble will be far less of a problem than the thing we have to deal with now.

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shankar #: ....i have started looking at historical trends to figure out what will happen in the future.....

....how in the world did barbaric afghans (hamidm mian's ancestors) again and again conquer a much more sophisticated south asian population......

.....is it possible that when people were reciting poetry in delhi and inventing the zero in bangalore (or wherever else), similar barbarians rolled down from afghanistan, beat the crap out of everyone and went back......then came down again.......and again.....and again......

how did they do it.....

...could it be that ghauri and abdali were no more sophisticated than mullah umar and fazlullah.....all indians should be rooting for the pakistan army in swat....if these guys aren't stopped in nwfp, trust me, there is no one in india who will be able to stop them......

gene pools don't change overnight......there is a reason that for a 1000 years, these guys came and had their way with everyone in south asia.....

It is strange to see Chowk Indians (including some of the unrepentant right-wing bigots) obsessed with radicalization in Pakistan while ignoring it in their own backyard. The recent arrest of Col Purohit, a serving Indian military officer involved in bomb blasts in Muslim neighborhoods, should be an eye-opener for all Indians. The inflammatory speeches ( watch the Hoodbhoy video I posted) by the Sangh Parivar at huge rallies and deliberate distortion of history textbooks to whitewash Hindu history and to remove positive role of Islam and Muslims in India, Sanskritization of the Hindi language, massacres of Christians and Muslims, etc. should give any right-thinking Indian cause for serious alarm.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 388 Shankar

The best scenario is one in which Pakistani civilians exert effective control over the military, or the military itself distances itself from a jihadi strategy of encouraging provocation by infiltrators. If that does not happen, then a war (that eventually goes nuclear) may result. Sad, but true.

Re: # 388

What do you mean by Pentagon computers predictions - do you think they are running simulations?

pew,

{{But, in the end, I really have no idea.}}

Nobody does. But its no consolation that all the Pentagon computers predict that an indo-Pak war will go nuclear.

I'm sure the pentagon is busy running contingency plans. When it boils down to Bangalore getting nuked or NY getting nuked; they'll choose the former.

Re: # 379 Shankar

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I still have a hard time believing that the Pakistani army wont fight them..."

Beyond the usual stated reasons why Pakistan may not fight the Taliban, there is one reason that I think has not received enough attention and that is the possibility of large scale desertions and mutiny in the Pakistan Army following sustained, long internal operations against Pathans. If you recall, after Operation Bluestar, there was one incident of mutiny in a battalion of new recruits. The Taliban War is many times larger and offers much more potential for incitement.

dude,

{{I was hoping of an answer on the likes of U.S./India parchuting a few 100 Jai/Veeru's to secure the weapons from Gabbar's den.}}

Yeah right!:))
Our glorious Black cats couldn't even save an unarmed Jewish couple at the Nariman House...& you think they will defeat the elite Pak units assigned to guard those dispersed nukes.

Re: # 379 Shankar

That is speculative - I have no idea how a nuclear Taliban scenario will unfold. I suspect that they could be deterred from nuclear strikes, but may use the nuclear shield to continue to launch terrorist operations. But, in the end, I really have no idea.

I agree with you that India should avoid getting sucked into a war. The problem is how do you deter terror operations shielded by a nuclear umbrella? The US-Soviet Cold War was fought through proxies and one of the rules was that there were no direct operations (e.g. terror operations) inside each other's territory.

ellora,

{{Disappointing ? It was a heaven sent opportunity for them to prove their sincerity}}

I'm not defending the pak govt's foot dragging. however, its noteworthy that GoP did formally admit that the terrorist strike in Bombay had its roots in Pakistan. I think that's a first.

I'll bet you if Mushy was in power, Pakistan's response would be 10 times worse.