Obama's Af-Pak Strategy

Tahmed sahib,

Most Indian Hindoos who are literate enuff to be on chowk wud be obessessed with Pak. The majority who are illiterate wud be more bothered with their next meal.

Regards

both these nut jobs mentioned in #525 were from South India. So much for "except for the very few in the North Indian states bordering Pakistan."

SPY: "Most of the Indians hardly know or care about Pakistan, except for the very few in the North Indian states bordering Pakistan."

The most pathetic Pakistanphobic nutjob from India, Jay Thakeray who infested chowk for several years until he was taken away in a straitjacket, was from South India. The second most pathetic, "paki paki" Arjun had to change his nick over a hundred times on chowk (each time he got bumped off).

Enough said.

Re: # 170 bilal843: Your views are good and I like them.

- "And Indians should also please come out of Pakistanphobia".

Believe me, Most of the Indians hardly know or care about Pakistan, except for the very few in the North Indian states bordering Pakistan. Even the small fraction that have developed this phobia, after observing/realizing Pakistan's policy in action of bleeding India with 1000 cuts. Pak involvement in Punjab(early 1980s), Kashmir (from 89 onwards) and the mini-wars / attacks of Siachin(1984), Kargil(1999), Parliament attack(2001), Bombay (Taj) attacks (2008) etc. are part of the same policy, that gives us the phobia. Putting a stop to all such zero sum game policies of Pakistan can definitely help Indians get over this phobia.

- "and stop having dreams of a regional military super-power the poverty of India needs to be taken care of first.....". Again very good thoughts about addressing the issue of poverty before military power. But unfortunatley the past has tought lessons otherwise. Last 1000 years of history points it clearly that Indians (including present day Paksitan area) were generally well off but weak militarily, with the result the umpteen looters / invaders easily overpowered the locals. Prosperity and advancement has no meaning if it cannot be defended against the invading barbarians. Earlier the central Asians, Turks, Mongols, Persians, Afghans etc. used to dream of invading India and loot / share its wealth. In today's world while the danger of attack from one of these countries on India has reduced to zero, but Pakistan army and average Pakistanis have drawn full insipration from the past. It is evident as the heroes of Pakistan are not the locals but all the invaders who have hurt / damaged India in the past. History will keep on repeating if India does not learn its lessons and gaurd itself against such a neighbour by become economically and militarily strong. The Indian military power is not to attack Pakistan (i.e. offensive), but to defend itself from any further attacks. Coming back to the Poverty part, the % of GDP devoted to poverty handling schemes by the Indian government is much larger compared to the other countries in neighbourhood. I agree with your views and this % can be increased much more if the two countries can overcome the past and devote their defence budget for the poverty eradication schemes.

hamidm #496 Yes indeed, there is so much expertise on Pakistan newspapers in India. I understand Dr. Jay Thakeray was Professor Emeritus of Dawn Newspaper and Prof. Arjun was PhD in Dawn Opinions section. These are highly specialized disciplines.

Inspired by these learned Indian commentators on current affairs, I tried to achieve their level of scholarship by googling "Indian newspapers" once, and the pop-ups were so bad and the layout so confused I had to give up this counter-spy effort of looking up Indian papers.

hamidm #496 Yes indeed, there is so much expertise on Pakistan newspapers in India. I understand Dr. Jay Thakeray was Professor Emeritus of Dawn Newspaper and Prof. Arjun was PhD in Dawn Opinions section. These are highly specialized disciplines.

Inspired by these learned Indian commentators on current affairs, I tried to achieve their level of scholarship by googling "Indian newspapers" once, and the pop-ups were so bad and the layout so confused I had to give up this counter-spy effort of looking up Indian papers.

Mr. Madani: You are right - we need less talk of bombs and more talk of stocks. I think that will happen once we have dealt with these animals that Mr. Musharraf had allowed into the country from Afghanistan instead of cooperating with the US and turning them back. But Mr. Musharraf liked dogs, so he allowed these taliban dogs into the country.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/azam-circulating-nude-posters-of-mine-jaya/92312-37.h tml...

these beduinoid bast***s have become so emboldened....
we need another 1993...

Re: # 515
abey gadha,what ever Indian armed forces may be, whether their performance meets the demand of the nation, that should be considered...so, far, they have not done that bad....India has to find some reason for attacking Pakistan...I am seeing no reason, other than dismantling terrorist training centres in Pakistani ocuupied Kashmir....But, that is not a long term solution?...Can India make Pakis diverted from Islam and think civilised way? No, currently India do not have that ability, other than using mass media like cinema, TV serials etc...and India is exactly doing that....

Re: # 515

I suggest you watch the Hoodbhoy video I have posted to get a sense of how much mutual suspicion and hatred exists between India and Pakistan. Under these conditions, it would be a folly to discount the Indian threat. Vigilance and preparation is very important to prevent another war.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 512

Currently, KSE-100 companies are trading at a PE ratio of less than 5 versus Mumbai Sensex at about 9. So a lot of the worse case pessimism is already reflected in the share prices of some of the high-quality blue-chips trading at Karachi stock exchange. Could it worse? It's possible but not likely.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 513
aleph...
Japan is adopting the technology and science from west in rather steady way and not in bits and pieces format...the relevant technology has be introduced in graduation level......

It is not matter of jet engine, alone...
Defence research and manufacturing should have been left to the hand of private companies...

Prof R.Haq...and all others your comments may be right. But time has come to change policy which has no yielded given results. Recently Air Marshall A.Khan was in Karachi and I read the news. He had good thinking. He questioned need to start war ? He said up to now India has not attacked Pakistan any time.1965, 1971 and Kargill all were started from ourside and Indian state reacted. The starting urge and beginning was done from ourside. He said if we do not start military action there will not be indian confrontation. I think we need to consider as airmarshall knows few more things, he is not pacifict like mr gandhi,he is very lean ad mean man. (He told Zia to hang Quaid E Awam by lamppost for general public viewing. Quied Awam here is ZAB.) India is weak and its military commander are not aggressive or brave like tiger or lion they are like elephant. If left to themselves they will go on grazing and better left alone. We have tried earnestly and failed three times when India was weak and lead by 4ft man, woman once and then senile 80 years man who can not walk but sit in chair. Now if we try again it will be failure and mad man only can expect different result.We do not want three front war with Afghnans and india and with pakistani talib. Let us hope they just concentrate on talib. The time will come when India is disintegrating to attack at proper time tosnatch, even better is to wait for ripe fruit falls in our lap then just go and pick it up and put in bag. Patience is virtue. Presently the strategic blunder of starting three wars and hidden enemy usa who wants to snatch crown jewels like aopportunistic chief, this is wrong policy and wrong policy also takes time to get posionous fruits. Presently will be wise to declare peace on India and go after Ts. Now Ts are not stupid they are making plans and according to plan pak army is resonding as programed robot. Kindly read our Majors blog it gives far better picture.
Good day.

RiazHaq #511

{{Deprecating the customers is not very smart business.}}

Not divining people's motives and personal interests - whether in weapons procurement or on Chowk - is even stupider. Not everyone is incorruptible, and not every newspaper or reporter is above board.

{{After all, they have to use the crappy stuff and suffer the consequences on the battlefield where there are lives at stake. }}

Don't worry, the services won't have to accept a weapon system unless their GSQRs are met. Weapons from foreign sources can be as unreliable as indigenous ones - politics has always played a role. The advantages of owning and understanding a design in its entirety are not to be underestimated.

nkg #509

{{Indian material science is way behind Russia/USA/Japan/Israel...Even if we get the the design, we don't have the ability to manufacture according to the specification...this is truth....}}

{{even the engine technology from TM....}}

Well, that's true. Only four countries are fully state of the art (or close) when it comes to jet engines. But they have all built that capacity up through six decades of constant development. Without investing a significant fraction of that effort, India will never get there. There's no choice but to do it.

Re: # 503 Prof.R Haq I agree with your comments about KSE. This time to invest in quality and very very iundervalued stocks. There will be enormous gains in short terms ( next five years), My mistake was to be too greedy and then loosing heart and timid to liquidate. Next time when any stock over 200% gains will liquidate and any stock loosing 50% will be sold to control losses. What I learnt from this devastation of KSE one should only care about losses gains will take care of themselves. Unfortunatelyn I am not sure providence will give me chance to test learnt lessons due to age factor.