Obama's Af-Pak Strategy

Re: # 382

I don't think the Indian politicians have the balls to do it unless something disastrous happens first

I should have also mentioned - I am happy that the Indian politicians don't have the balls to start a war.

Re: # 379

[America, European Union ,Russia & Israel; each in their own way, will goad India into starting a war.]

Shankar - Who will bell the cat? I don't think the Indian politicians have the balls to do it unless something disastrous happens first.

I was hoping of an answer on the likes of U.S./India parchuting a few 100 Jai/Veeru's to secure the weapons from Gabbar's den.

Re: # 377

Shankar - I think we need to stop replying to people (Pakistani or Indian) who think nuclear war is the solution. They don't belong to the civilized world.

#323:
"The "good" guys in Pakistan ... are the civil society who believes in resolving disputes with dialogue.

Everybody forgets this. Just before the Mumbai attacks, the Pakistani foreign minister was in Delhi. Both he & Zardari were making very promising & sincere statements of working things out.

I think the Mumbai attacks must have been terribly disappointing to them.

Disappointing ? It was a heaven sent opportunity for them to prove their sincerity.

pew,

{{They probably would, I just think that when someone made the comment that the West has a probable strategy that a nuke war is the best way to denuclearize the Subcontinent is not being correct.}}

If the Taliban take over; all bets are off.
America, European Union ,Russia & Israel; each in their own way, will goad India into starting a war. There will be plenty of Indians who are dumb enough to fall for it. The people who will suffer the most will be Indians & Pakistanis.

I still have a hard time believing that the Pakistani army wont fight them. Unless there is an internal coup within the army.

So, as far as I'm concerned, I'm rooting (& praying) that their democratically elected civilian govt will prevail.

Re: # 376 That depends on whether the Taliban host Al Qaeda or not. If they don't, then the US might negotiate with the Taliban. If they do, then it might mean war.

guru dev,

{{India needs to evaporate these Anglicized Talibs in Pindi and I'bad first.}}

Yeah right...& then when we proceed to dip our lingums in the irradiated Ganges, we will all become sterile---population problem solved.

get out of this dangerous delusion that a nuclear war can be "won".

the scary part is there are enough buttheads like you on both sides that believe that..

Re: # 375

Pew - Agree with your statement. But my question was what is the US strategy if Taliban does take control of Pakistan (though not the nuke facilities) and the Pak military is no longer in control of country. Also, while this is evolving, the nukes have not been taken over by Taliban yet but there is a serious danger that it may happen sooner or later. What will the U.S. do then? Of course, this situation will be evolving at real time and the time difference between the situation described above and the Taliban taking control of the nukes will be days/weeks and not months probably.

Re: # 362 Dude

I think that it means that the Pakistanis have finally accepted US technology that gives sufficient command and control over Pakistani nukes, and the US believes that the Pakistani military is serious in preventing them from falling in wrong hands. I don't think it implies that the US has a finger on the self-destruct button on Pakistani nukes.

Re: # 357 Shankar

They probably would, I just think that when someone made the comment that the West has a probable strategy that a nuke war is the best way to de-nuclearize the Subcontinent is not being correct.

Re: # 352 Tahmed

"...e.g. whining about Jinnah, when in fact it was hindu jingoism (despite please by the englishman who started up the Congress Party to be more inclusive of muslims) that caused the rift,..."

My thinking on Jinnah has undergone a shift. I no longer hold him exclusively responsible for Partition, but I do hold him singularly responsible for making unrealistic demands that could never be met that resulted in Partition. My view is that he was thinking as a lawyer in which he could prolong a 'trial' and extract concessions in his favor. This turned out to be flawed - hence his comments about 'moth-eaten Pakistan'. His two flawed assumptions were that (a) Congress would never accept Partition, which in fact, it did against Jinnah's own personal preferences, and (b) there would be sufficient time to work out the details of the two Dominions. I don't think that Jinnah wanted the outcome that ultimately came about.

It is wrong of you to think that 'Hindu jingoism' had something to do with Partition. Do you think that Congress was 'Hindu' and 'Jingoistic'? Remember, there was a Congress ministry in power in NWFP until 1945, and that Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan felt betrayed by the Congress in the end. Congress also had a Muslim as its President in 1946. The Sindh Muslim League almost reached a power sharing formula in 1945, but this was scuttled by Sindh Governor who dissolved the assembly. Do these facts square with 'Hindu Jingoism'?

Sapna,

'The military has been releasing regular reports saying it has killed Taliban militants in the region, but it has produced little evidence of the successes it claims. Journalists have not been permitted to observe the offensive and the army has not shown the bodies of the dead militants.'

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/10/pakistan.swat.tal iban.fighting/index.html

Intl media is finally highlighting what many think abt Army Operation. The messy Operation created another crisis of refugees.

Army had the history of lying to outside world (esp the AQ Khan's sale of nuclear technology).

#370
I don't know who is primitive? The people who killed 5 million in Vietnam, the people who killed at least a million in Iraq and displaced couple of millions. The who built walls in Iraqi cities to separate neighborhoods. The people who occupy Afghanistan and the people who drop chemicals on poor civilians.
"Afghan girl's burns show horror of chemical strike"
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090508/twl-uk-afghanistan-phosphorus -exclusive-bd5ae06.html

I guess the definition of primitive escapes the so called enlightened Indians.

Hasho, that will be the right thing to do
and world will sigh with relief.

It is quite clear by now, Pakistani people
and state has no maturity and is led by
murderes and killers with no regard for human life. Pakistani nation as such is clearly has to evolve to handle nukes, they
are still primitive people, so nukes in
their hands are dangerous.

361, HAM pasand, U r a joker fuka.

Re: # 337 I believe that if a stable govt. emerges in Pakistan (civil or military) then whichever govt. is in power in Delhi will probably move ahead on it.

I think that India would want a settlement along the LoC. The Pak military does not want it, and I think that the Pak military now realizes that borders cannot change through military means.