Chaos – Thy Name is Pakistan

Re: # 25 Dost

Then how come undivided Punjab's political leadership was mostly Muslim? I am thinking of the Unionist Party.

Gill saheb:

What made you translate your nick into Urdu?

Having been to more places in Pakistan than most Pakistanis - from Khyber to Karachi and Moenjodaro to Taxila, and in all modes of transportation - air, rail, bus, qinchi - I can say that life in Pakistan is in no way inferior to that in India, at least when you compare Indian metros to Pak metros.

It is a stretch to say that Pakistanis would have been better off if they had stayed in India. Next time you are in Pakistan, please go and look at the historical records of any college in Lahore or Rawalpindi, you would find that almost all of the faculties and most of the students were Hindus or Sikhs; while some feudal landlords did very well in Punjab, ordinary Muslim was far behind; Hindus and Sikhs dominated all the professions and commerce and the service sectors such as railways, post offices and banks; they owned more than their share of agricultural lands and overwhelmingly owned urban properties. The Muslim plight in Bangladesh was even worse. Do you think that this would have changed significantly if there were no partition? Just by way of comparison, you would find that while political landscape has changed in India, the same upper castes dominate professions and businesses as did before the partition. This is why you do not find many Pakistanis who regret the Partition or very few Indian Muslims who are happy where they are.

Re: # 10 Manto

Hello! Just finished Ayesha Jalal's Sole Spokesman. Have you read it? My views on Jinnah have changed slightly.

major #19

You should see the flurry of articles on pakteahouse.wordpress.com. Basically they are bringing Indian writers and proving that they wanted Pakistan because they did not trust Hindus and at the most would give CMP to Hindus and since Hindus did not accept it and
so it is Hindus who caused Partition for which Pakistanis
are happy.
Pakistanis are certifiably crazies, no wonder that country
is in deep trouble as it is now, basically clueless people, who hated Hindus to ask for a separate state for themselves and kick out/convert all Hindu/Sikhs.
No idea what to do after that.

" banjara286 on May 11, 2009 10:37:02 am
Re: # 19
that london wala hijrDa is most welcome any time to migrate back to india. it will solve a lot of problems in Pakistan.
"

Apparently, it's not just God. Even a true Pakistani is a Sunni Punjabi alone? ;)

Re: # 19
that london wala hijrDa is most welcome any time to migrate back to india. it will solve a lot of problems in Pakistan.

i am sure he and lalloo bhai would be a big hit in northern india.

Re: # 18 Gill

Well, Swat is not islamabad, so obviously YLH is not concerned at all... What happens in swat, stays in swat...

You sinister alarmist you, how can you do this?... LOL

Re: # 17 banjara

Well, Altaph Bhai has been on record on that(he said "partition was a mistake" or something like) - his party was/is part of your govt, as I understand, so that was a strong statement coming from somebody "powerful" like him...

There has been endless discussions recently in chowk about how pakis didn't even want partition, they wanted some kind of "federation", but Congress/Nehru did it... ask YLH more on it...

Anyhoo - I don't want you pakis to repent, it is what it is, live with it... I mean, can you imagine altaph bhai and his gang knocking at wagah border to let back into mother bhindia?... LOL

MantoLives: #8:
Your opening line reads: "I live in Islamabad Pakistan. I live there with my family...and we've gone through the chaos you refer to... but I am afraid it is not as bad as people here in California make it out to be."
I hope you are right. But Swat is part of Pakistan and there is a revolt raging there. I quote here below some of the headlines from Dawn.com of May 11, 2009.
• At least 360,000 flee fighting in Swat, Buner,
Lower Dir.
• US offers 4.9 million dollars aid for Swat IDP.
• Swat operation to wipe out Taliban.
• Talibanisation and identity crisis.
• Up to 700 militants killed in Swat offensive and
and several other.
There are several other similar news items in this issue also describing the unrest and revolt. I empathize with those who have been uprooted from their homes and are now living in refugee camps. Do you have any experience of living in a refugee camp? I have.
My objective of writing this article was not sinister or sadistic and I didn’t blow it up. I am deeply touched by what is happening in Pakistan, a country for which I as one had suffered a great deal.
Be well.

Mohammad Gill

Re: # 16
so one person's view generalizes it to the entire nation's repentance?

Re: # 14 banjara

Did you even read this article?... :)

this is what your man Mr Gill says in his article: "Reflecting on the current situation in Pakistan, I tend to believe Pakistanis wouldn’t have gotten a worse deal from the Hindus had India not been divided"

Re: # 9
"Only God knows which understanding is correct".

very true. but didn't u know that god is a sunni punjabi?

Re: # 12
"while pakis are starting repent it..."

major saab,

only in ur wet dreams.

can u plz give us a list of pakistanis who have been "repenting" it on chowk?

Mr. Gill

This is a rather depressing article. But, end of day, what purpose is served in discussing what ifs? Yes, maybe all of us would have been better served had partition not taken place. Flip side, maybe we would have been like Rwanda, killing each other. The point is, who knows. End of day, lot of nations were created in the 1940s and some of them were new creations, others had a historical presence in civilizational terms and regardless these nations all exist. Quit thinking about the ideology behind the creation of Pakistan. Instead, accept Pakistan as it exists and be the best you can be. Process, not personalities or ideologies, are key.

Re: # 10 YLH
[... in other words India would have all the benefits of the present... or almost all of them...]

In other words - Why pretend when you can have the real thing?...

It's funny how things have come full circle... indians now fully appreciate the good thing that partition was, while pakis are starting repent it... LOL

Re: # 8
The whole world is getting anxious about the state in which Pakistan finds itself, primarily because of the threat to world peace all arising out of the half clever at the same time self defeating policies followed by Pakistan's rulers.
The Pakistani army and bureaucracy which remain in a perpetual denial manage to convince some Pakistanis that there is nothing wrong.
Please wake up.