Chaos – Thy Name is Pakistan

Re: # 66
Maj,

"Even if u are not published on FP, you can freely publish on UP and i-logs section. UP at least generates a fair amount of participation. Why dont you participate on UP?"

Chowq is promoting the kind of democracy that the wild west is attempting to sell to us: lop-sided. Notice who is and is NOT published; the pattern remains unchanged.

Unplugged is like a dancing girl's rooftop, never will I be found frequenting it.

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Re: # 43
Asadi sahib,

A good dhoti-blowing post ruined by 'you moron, you dumbass' etc.

Zamzam Cola, enjoy!

Re: # 42
Manto,

"What is happening in Swat is the logical extension of the war on terror."

Logic as manufactured in the White-Washed House with British help, that's for sure. Never look for any other reason.

"If we've decided to fight this war, we have to realize that this war is going to be fought in our streets."

Who is WE; the KKK (Khaki Killing Klan)? You're talking like those who allowed the monster into our borders and now worry about helping those who sponsored its entry!

"Frankly I don't understand...."

You will one day.

Tahir mian,

Why don't you post the video for YLH's (Mantolives) benefit which showed that Aga Khanis, Attaturk and Qs were all a part of the Zionist-Freemason conspiracy. Maybe he can comment after going thru the video.

Regards

Re: # 41
Asadi sahib,

Thanks for lifting the dhoti on Mr. Manto. Do let me know more; I love knowing people!

May Allah save us from the flag-worshippers.

:)

Re: # 35
Thinker for free,

"I had to change my complete identity. I am surprised that you noticed."

You can run but you can't hide. People notice.

:)

I know I promised two posts ago to post my last post but consider this an added installment...

I challenge tahir and the entire furry-haired brigade to provide one rational verifiable piece of evidence anywhere that shows that Ahmadis/Quadianis are a "British creation".

An ironic similarity between the Hindu Majority that dominates India and the Sunni Majority that dominates Islam (by extension Pakistan) is that every thing becomes a "British creation".... Ismailis British creation, Pakistan British creation, Ahmadis British creation, Dalits British creation, ... Hindus and Sunnis ascribe more things to the British than what is actually possible for one nation to have done. Going by the Hindu and Sunni versions of History... everything is a conspiracy theory.

The common thread ofcourse is that they constitute "majorities"... majorities which are not "being respected"... hence there is a conspiracy being hatched every minute... Sadnas, Tahirs, Atifs are merely same people in different majorities... kindred souls really.

Tahir mian,

To be fair ChowQ is far more democratic than most other forums. Even if u are not published on FP, you can freely publish on UP and i-logs section. UP at least generates a fair amount of participation. Why dont you participate on UP?

Regards

Re: # 30
Asadi,

"What did the chowk members do to deserve a double dose of the shirnk and Gill at the same time?"

A valid question that'll get you banned again, but don't be afriad.

PS: Who knows who is related to whom here?

Re: # 9
Liberated Mind,

"this belief does not resolve the inherent problem."

It has solved all my problems and I can see very clearly; all praise is due to Him alone. Like the Book says, (and I too wish it for others), learn to distiguish between the right and the wrong paths, for there's no compulsion in religion.

"As an extreme example, the Qadianis, followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, also have the same Book, Quran, yet their understanding is fundamentally so different that they are called infidels by other Muslims. Only God knows which understanding is correct."

I've said enough about this British creation, while others much more knowledgeable have come to the same conclusion. The Q-group holds a twisted mirror to look at their faces.

There are shades of meanings, and I think you know it well how the Book mentions 'how each sect rejoices in its own tenets'; that's what God is there for: to decide and show the wrong-doers how little of their brains they used for analysis!

Stay cool up in Kanda.

kaurajhoot,

Yaar, isn't it ironic ... you first discriminate against a person by calling him a Muslim. Then you complain that he embraced that role.

The hypocrite my dear friend is you. Damn right that "hate" created Pakistan. That hate however was not on part of Jinnah or the Muslims... that hate was always from hypocrites like you.

I don't wish to waste another minute of my time on this website...

Those interested in an honest exchange of ideas on partition ... please visit:

Partition of India: A dialogue

http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/partition-of-india-a -dialogue/

PS:

"nehru gave them a lesson in respecting elected majorities"

Nonsense. They were the elected majority in their province.
Nehru insisted on controlling everything from the center.

In other words... whatever Nehru's personal secular beliefs... this meant a total domination of Hindu majority in New Delhi on areas which were Muslim majority.

Ironically neither the Punjabi Muslims nor Jinnah (who worked at cross purposes through out) had brought separate electorates in... indeed Jinnah's proposals (in opposition to Punjabi Muslims' position) had paved the way for a clear path to joint electorates ... by guaranteed representation of 33% at the center (as opposed to 25% that Hindu Mahasabha had agreed to with Motilal Nehru) .... so whatever bakwas Sadna is doing here... the facts are very different.

The real question comes down to whether there was any need of speaking up for Muslims... it is often claimed by people like Sadna and other such Indian types that Jinnah started speaking for Muslims only because he could not compete with Gandhi and Nehru types in the Congress. Well the reason he could not compete with Gandhi and Nehru types is because he had a Muslim name ... despite the fact that there was nothing in his dress, lifestyle, education that distinguished him on religious grounds.

The truth is that people like Nehrus etc and Sadna types today would accept only those Muslims who would play second fiddle. Bacha Khans and Azads are fine... the former was a regional leader with little or no threat to Gandhi and Nehru etc ... the latter was a religious scholar with no real political following... All their self righteousness about "elected majorities" and "one-man one vote" is predicated on the fact that they were a majority and nothing else.

Why bother with facts and information when its so popular these days to blame Islam and "mullahs". I personally think that divide and rule is continuing to work because of articles like this that continue to divide our ranks into smaller and smaller groups that each refuse to work with one another. What needs to be done is to curtail not only the Taliban and religious extremists, but also these liberal extremists since they both over-react to one another and cause problems for the remainder of mainstream Pakistan. Mohammad Gill.....try a little more education before saying that Shia Islam is different from Sunni Islam which is different from Wahabi Islam. You really need an education on this subject cause you don't know what you're talking about. Ask the followers of Imam Jafar and the followers of the main schools of thought in Sunni Islam whether or not there are fundamental differences in our sharia.

Besides....aside from complaining about what you perceive to be wrong.....do you have any solutions? If not....I propose you stop whining and get an education first.

Sadna,

Only someone who is deluded or completely a dunce would put Punjabi Muslims and Jinnah's political objectives in one basket... anyone who has read (without the blinkers you have on) the round-table conferences and the role your favorite Sir Fazli Hussain played... in opposition to Sapru, Jinnah (and by extension against your Nehru and Gandhi etc)... would know that Punjabi Muslim landed interests worked on cross purposes with Jinnah's interests which were all-India... the real rub is that you keep harping about this majority majority thing when you lack total understanding of the politics of the period.

I really hope that you give up this obsession you have with partition politics because you neither have the ability nor the intellectual integrity to decipher this very important period in the collective history of our subcontinent.