Maj Azhar May 10, 2009
#45 Posted by tahir on May 23, 2009 10:01:03 pm
Re: # 36
We ought to create an anthem out of such realities!
I volunteer to compose the melody.
We ought to create an anthem out of such realities!
I volunteer to compose the melody.
#44 Posted by akcheema on May 23, 2009 4:59:01 pm
Re: # 43; banjara
I know what you are saying ... and that's why it is important that the IDPs are treated with sensitivity ... but the socalled 'status quo' ,as it was, was equally unacceptable
problem is these bleeding hearts here are not saying these things because they care for those affected ...they simply do that to nurse their bruised egos ... kick in the teeth if you will ... very common 'victim' mentality rife amongst the members of the Ummah in general, and Pakistanis in particular
now that the army is 'engaged' as it were, they simply cannot go back to their patronage of these elements ... they are trapped ... and that is not all bad for Pakistan's future ... give it some time before we see the positive side of it
I know what you are saying ... and that's why it is important that the IDPs are treated with sensitivity ... but the socalled 'status quo' ,as it was, was equally unacceptable
problem is these bleeding hearts here are not saying these things because they care for those affected ...they simply do that to nurse their bruised egos ... kick in the teeth if you will ... very common 'victim' mentality rife amongst the members of the Ummah in general, and Pakistanis in particular
now that the army is 'engaged' as it were, they simply cannot go back to their patronage of these elements ... they are trapped ... and that is not all bad for Pakistan's future ... give it some time before we see the positive side of it
#43 Posted by banjara286 on May 23, 2009 2:38:08 pm
Re: # 42 cheema sahib,
support for action against taliban is not so much the contentious issue; rather the strategy that the army is using which is causing massive destruction and an unparalleled humanitarian crisis in the nwfp. this may redound to Pakistan's disadvantage, and ought to be a matter of grave concern for anyone who cares for the future of Pakistan. of course, i understand that u do.
i am not too sure about the asadite solution working in the Pakistani context; it is a very different nation. but i do have a feeling that if Pakistan somehow manages to get through this crisis in one piece, it would have made it over the hump in turning things around. let us wait and see.
support for action against taliban is not so much the contentious issue; rather the strategy that the army is using which is causing massive destruction and an unparalleled humanitarian crisis in the nwfp. this may redound to Pakistan's disadvantage, and ought to be a matter of grave concern for anyone who cares for the future of Pakistan. of course, i understand that u do.
i am not too sure about the asadite solution working in the Pakistani context; it is a very different nation. but i do have a feeling that if Pakistan somehow manages to get through this crisis in one piece, it would have made it over the hump in turning things around. let us wait and see.
#42 Posted by akcheema on May 23, 2009 2:03:13 pm
for once the general opinion in Pakistan seems to be anti-taliban ... and that is important ... the rellies who 'werent sure' or didn't want to 'fight our own' seem to think differently now
this is 'political islam' under scrutiny (at a subconscious level) in my opinion and is a very positive development ... and this ideology is prevelant amongst far more than the '2000' conveniently mentioned by some to underplay its significance
goes without saying that the "asadite" solution is the only way
the taliban apologists can rant or rave all they like ... the writing is on the wall ... they better start looking beyond their bruised egos if they are actually as sincere about the future of Pakistan as they claim to be
and that goes for people like leadenwinter too ... army is meant to follow orders of the elected representatives of the country ... and at least at present they are doing so ... and they have my support (and every sane person in Pakistan)
this is 'political islam' under scrutiny (at a subconscious level) in my opinion and is a very positive development ... and this ideology is prevelant amongst far more than the '2000' conveniently mentioned by some to underplay its significance
goes without saying that the "asadite" solution is the only way
the taliban apologists can rant or rave all they like ... the writing is on the wall ... they better start looking beyond their bruised egos if they are actually as sincere about the future of Pakistan as they claim to be
and that goes for people like leadenwinter too ... army is meant to follow orders of the elected representatives of the country ... and at least at present they are doing so ... and they have my support (and every sane person in Pakistan)
#41 Posted by hamidm2 on May 23, 2009 1:41:55 pm
Re: # 40
masadi mian,
exactly! ..... it is not the army's job to provide " health care and education and food for the over 40% food deprived " ...... your elected civilian government is supposed to do all that ....... the army is supposed to kill miscreants, terrorists, mullahs, al-qaeda, taliban, wahabis, horrible hindoos and other enemies of the state ............ let them do their job and ask zardari to do his .......
masadi mian,
exactly! ..... it is not the army's job to provide " health care and education and food for the over 40% food deprived " ...... your elected civilian government is supposed to do all that ....... the army is supposed to kill miscreants, terrorists, mullahs, al-qaeda, taliban, wahabis, horrible hindoos and other enemies of the state ............ let them do their job and ask zardari to do his .......
#40 Posted by masadi on May 23, 2009 1:00:31 pm
#39 Hamid you are misguided as usual. What kind of salary earning is it when going after 2000 thugs you displace over a million and cause a human catastrophe? When instead of health care and education and food for the over 40% food deprived you use jets and rockets worth tens of millions against ak-47 brandishing thugs and when you play the American war script for propaganda purposes as the Pakistan Army is. Don't let your goddamned hatred blind you to the crimes thugs bigger than the Talibaboons.
And get a goddmaned education,
TNITC masadi
And get a goddmaned education,
TNITC masadi
#39 Posted by hamidm2 on May 23, 2009 12:49:11 pm
Re: # 36
urstruly,
.... i am not a big fan of the army and i think they have no business making breakfast cereal and running banks, but i think they are finally earning their salaries by killing the vermin that has infested the country ...... let's hope they finish the job and dispatch all mullahs, bearded and unbearded, to allah mian's big jirga in the sky ..........
pak fauj zindabad !
urstruly,
.... i am not a big fan of the army and i think they have no business making breakfast cereal and running banks, but i think they are finally earning their salaries by killing the vermin that has infested the country ...... let's hope they finish the job and dispatch all mullahs, bearded and unbearded, to allah mian's big jirga in the sky ..........
pak fauj zindabad !
#38 Posted by KHYBER on May 23, 2009 3:03:53 am
Re: # 36 Urstruly ..Well said,Maj.Azhar ignores that In Pakistan the military has been part of the problem because it has been encouraging the monopoly of a handful of politicians in the country, perpetuating a troubled system and never encouraging its replacement with a better one. power hungry Generals used the army as an instrument for grabbing political power and hijacked Pakistan. Pakistani youth are jobless because all institutions are either headed or controlled by the Army generals or Pakistani elite Bourgeois class.. The country suffered a great loss in 1971 when its own Army surrendered in shame after committing one of the worst human right crimes in history and perpetrating the holocaust of three million people who were the citizens of Pakistan.Pakistan army being ranked as the seventh biggest army in the world has not conquered a single inch in fact it has only brought embarrassment to the nation in the battle fields of Kargil and Dhaka.The military in Pakistan is infamous for a large number of brutalities in the past including the murdering of Z A BHUTTO, the slaughtering of a large multitude of Bangladeshis, in fact, the military regime has never helped the process of nation-building in Pakistan; rather, it has thwarted every relevant effort. Army have biggest share in Pakistan’s stock exchange, operate commercial bank, airline, steel, cement, telecom, petroleum and energy, education, sports, health care and even grocery shops chains and bakeries.
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#37 Posted by Zyxius on May 22, 2009 9:29:26 pm
#20 & #25
LOL
Like the article...."malign the maligned"....HAHAHA Zardari is such as ASS
LOL
Like the article...."malign the maligned"....HAHAHA Zardari is such as ASS
#36 Posted by Urstruly on May 22, 2009 7:58:03 pm
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#32 Posted by Leadenwinter on May 21, 2009 5:11:03 am
Flagged :)
Its not as though I'm telling lies..
He was "in fact" indicted and convicted .. ergo... hes a criminal.
Its not that complicated.. Oh but I forgot .. The kind of person who would flag my last comment .. would invariably be kind of person who manages to sell their faculties and common sense along with their integrity.
Yet more fruits of democracy.. Enjoy
#31 Posted by Leadenwinter on May 21, 2009 3:35:09 am
The competance and proceedings of Courts and judicial bodies across the World (including Pakistan) evidence the fact that Zardrai is a known and proven criminal.
There isnt much room for doubt.
We know hes a criminal and that he'll sell anything .. including the (ours not his) country. Thats why hes in power.. the right man for the job.
Enjoy your democracy.
There isnt much room for doubt.
We know hes a criminal and that he'll sell anything .. including the (ours not his) country. Thats why hes in power.. the right man for the job.
Enjoy your democracy.
#30 Posted by muqaddam on May 21, 2009 2:40:04 am
Pakistani people have to decide what kind of polity they want. If they have opted for democracy then they will have to play by the rules. Zardari has fought against dictatorship, is a recognised leader in his party and legitimately elected President. If he is working within the norms, the Pakistani people should give him his full term, if he is a failure do not elect him next time.
As far as India is concerned, Zardari is making the right overtures and he appears to be a person with whom it can do business.
Corrupt civilian politicians abound in all democracies, it is when the uniformed soldier decides to take over the reins, it is disaster for the country because absolute power corrupts absolutely as has already been seen in Pakistan.
As far as India is concerned, Zardari is making the right overtures and he appears to be a person with whom it can do business.
Corrupt civilian politicians abound in all democracies, it is when the uniformed soldier decides to take over the reins, it is disaster for the country because absolute power corrupts absolutely as has already been seen in Pakistan.
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