The Villain of Villains

Re: # 105

mad masadi,

.... so how do you propose to run the army without the 'officer corps'? ....... anyone who has ever had a real job in a real organization can tell you that you need leaders, managers, grunts and peons to get the job done ...... it is not like teaching sociology at the bronx community college or chichawatni's ghulam rasool madrassa .........

.... by the way, what are you doing to defeat this army - are you providing material support to the taliban or are you just throwing your usual impotent tantrums? ......... in either case, you are guilty of high treason .........

This is to inform you all that our friend Tahir has been illegally banned from Chowk again and his ilog has been removed. Chowk staff is going full speed ahead with their censorship agenda. In case you don't receive replies from me post this posting, know that they have illegally detained me as well

TNITC masadi

#103 RiazHaq

[Talking about Thulakkan, here's what I read recently about how many Indian Muslims feel about India...]

madrassa Alumnus,

Given all of this, why do you muslims keep entering India illegally by the thousands? Also, why are you so concerned about India, India's caste system, India's this, India's that - doesn't this take time away from writing important erudite-sounding articles - eh?

Why don't you stick to the stuff that personally affects you and utilize the time to contribute your literary skills for future generations of Pakis and other intellectuals?

RiazHaq
You should write to that guy and find out what's insulting about being called Turkic.

Alumni WW writes "Your suggestion that Pak army be disbanded is akin to prescribing a very strong medicine that will almost certainly kill the patient, that is Pakistan as a national entity"

Alumni, this is a reworded form of the same age old "Pakistan khatray mei hai" argument that the army uses. Pakistan as an 'national entity' ceased to exist when this army took over, you are lost in time, which Pakistan are you talking about the one that became the whore of the Americans or the one in which the 'national' has a voice?

Now when I talk about disbanding the "officers corps" of the military, I am not talking about putting a million people out of jobs. I am talking about restructuring the institution and no reform can fix the problems that exist at the top. Further, those jobs will be created when the state takes over the industry that the military has usurped and redistributes the land that its generals have incorporated. These changes happen concomitantly. You are seeing one side of the fix not the other. There is no need for a million strong military to be maintained in Pakistan.

Tahir sahib you cannot 'reform' an institution that has a diseased structure, just like you cannot put a band aid to control arterial bleeding. It needs to be dismanteld, and restructured, period. There is no other solution, or it will keep producing Zia ul Fcuqs and Musharraf ul Scuqs, I guarantee you that.

TNITC masadi

peon of the west writes "masadi,

in all seriousness you know jack shit about the life of a common man in Pakistan"

You should restrict yourself to commenting on things you know about, and that would be near nothing. I know quite a bit about the life of the common man/woman in Pakistan due to first hand observation and communication and not from a distance if my life was as detached from theirs as you claim then I'd be acting like your type of fools, the hamids and tahmeds and not have genuine empathy. Do not try to use my arguments against me your rich fart.

TNITC masadi

Talking about Thulakkan, here's what I read recently about how many Indian Muslims feel about India:

The Hindu ruling class arrived at a consensus that Indian Muslims are a threat for the national integrity and pushed us out of the mainstream and we were economically crippled. No one can deny that more than 80% of India's Muslim population lives in ghettos and slums.

In the past 60 years, the so called Muslim leaders have colluded with Congress and have screwedup the entire Muslim population with tags like “appeasement, vote bank, minority commission, Sachar committee, Haj subsidy, Shariah, triple talaq, polygamy, madrassa, mullah, Babri masjid, alienation, descrimination, suppression, Pakistani agent and TERRORIST�.

We get titles like: Thulukkan, Musla, kattus, Babur ke aulad, Hum paanch hamaare pachchees, thulukkane vettu thulukkachiye kattu, Desh drohi etc.

They will keep on repeating the names of a handful of Muslim poster boys, emerged in the past 60 years. Dr.Abdul Kalam, is considered as the best President because he drew a lakshman rekha around him and NEVER allowed any Muslim to cross that. He NEVER uttered a single word till date on Gujarat massacre and will never. He is proud to be called as Kalam Iyer, participate in Deepawali festival but will stay away from Muslim festivals.

Source: http://www.karuthu.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3783&PID=88289
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

RiazHaq
As I understand, Thulukkan means Turkic. I don't know if that's an insult.

Talking about food and bigotry, there was recently a lawsuit filed by Indian Muslim cooks working for a Tamil veggie restaurant "Vaigai" in Silicon Valley.

According to the plaintiffs, restaurant personnel regularly used ethnic slurs such as "Thulakkan," a pejorative term for Muslims in Sri Lankan Tamil dialect, to harass the two Muslim cooks. Also according to the complaint, restaurant staff were encouraged to call the plaintiffs by names such as "Rajan" or "Nagraj" under the pretext of not wanting to upset customers who might stop patronizing the restaurant if they heard the men referred to by their Muslim names.

The complaint also states that the plaintiffs were forced to participate in a religious ceremony despite telling the owners it was against their Islamic beliefs. The complaint alleges that the restaurant owners insisted on their participation and proceeded to smear a powder on their foreheads, making the religious marking known as a "tilak."
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 97

dost-mittar ji,

...... you don't have to apologize for the strange behaviour of your coreligionists - it takes a very special (dheet) kind of middle-aged person to overcome the fear of allah mian or ganeshji .... all religions are based on fear - fear of death, fear of the unknown, fear of losing your camel ......... and it would be fine if people simply stopped eating meat or started banging their head on the floor five times a day ...... the trouble starts when they start beheading people for eating beef biryani or ignoring the wailing mullah's call to debasement ..........

shankar: if only all hindus were as "strange" as you. trouble is - the vast majority are plain old stupid, pompous, lowlife with a chip on their shoulder about hinduism. at least on chowk.

hamid,

my wife and I are brahmins ...there is nothing better than a juicy fillet Mignon on the barbie. Used to eat beef at home as a kid. No hindu priest dared to put a fatwa on us ; or knew the first thing about how to "excommunicate" us from the "caste" of my birth.
Yeah, we are strange people

hamidm#96:

That is a problem but not as common as it used to be. My mother never allowed anyone to use even her kitchen for cooking meat but my wife is a much bigger carnivore than I am.

But I also find that as hindoos approach middle age, they stop/reduce eating meat; they say it is because of medical advice but I suspect that the fear of Ganeshji may also have something to do with it.

Re: # 95

dost-mittar ji,

...... you hindoos are strange people ........ saturday night we had three horrible hindoo couples over for dinner and whereas the men dug into the lamb biryani and chicken tikka like a bunch of savage talibans, the women were strict vegetarians .... what's up with that? ......

hamidm:

"i would be okay with that, but i like meat too much ......... "

How about reverting to the religion of the great-great-great grandpa rajupt Ram Chandar, an obedient husband like you who foolishly listened to the Mrs. to chase a deer for fresh meat and came back to find that the Mrs. had been kidnapped by a brahmin worshipper of Shiva?

I have already outstayed my time here ... Khuda Hafiz for now