The Villain of Villains

tahmed ... the 'land' I live on belonged to no one ... it was 'terras nullis'.

aborigines have there country still ... the have rights over 80 odd percent of the land in australia ... where some live in their 'traditional' ways ... and when they get ill from diseases etc they blame the 'invaders' for not making healthcare accessable ... and when the healthcare is accessable it is seen as an 'intrusion' on aboriginal customs etc .... ad infinitum!

the land in Pakistan is where 'my people' have lived for thousands of years ... there were not invaders (but historically everyone is an invader at some stage ... from africa I believe)

as for kashmir ... it will still be kashmiris living in it be it (administratively) a part of pakistan, india or independent ... this is an issue fuelled by the army to retain its support amongst the masses ... nothing more and nothing less

Saint Cheema Sahib (Hallowed Be Thy Name): I understand you plan to hand back the land you are illegally squatting on back to the australian aborigines. And apologize to them. And then you plan to return to Pakistan and return the land your invader ancestors took from the poor madrasis, now smoldering in madras.

You are an example of Peace for the rest of us.

Re: # 90

besides in any of the examples you quoted, I don't see a single one where entire populations were radicalised on the subject ... that is simply a path of self-destruction

we do't see the spainards blowing themselves up in Britain to make a point about Gibralter! ... things are way out of hand in pakistan though

klashnikov culture has been prevelant for a good twenty odd years now ... and it is brandished around kashmir or no kashmir relenlessly ... you would be hard pressed to find similar examples elsewhere (unless we are comparing ourselves to african tribals now)

Re: # 89

that's enough on the subject from me for now ... I am sure it will keep things going here for a bit!

I am off to bed

Re: # 87

their 'demands' have been fueled by us (and the army) ... once that is out of the way, those 'demands' will disappear too

same applies to palestine/israel situation ... there is nothing 'legitimate' about the kashmir cause ... it is simply created and aggarvated by us ... that's what I am saying

Re: # 86

cheema sahib,

...........on this memorial day, when we are honoring the brave men and women who gave their lives to defend our freedom, i draw a distinction between crazy islamic fundamentalism and good old nationalism .....

pakistan zindabad!

Re: # 85

cheema sahib,

.... it is not for you or i to give up kashmir - it is for the kashmiris to decide and it is our moral obligation to support their legitimate demands ...... nation states do not give up legitimate territorial claims just because they can't do anything about it ...... even a third rate power like uk launched an aramada to defend ten thousand sheep on a rock in the south atalantic ..... the japaneses are still sticking to their claim on sakahalin island and the chinese never gave up on hongkong, macau or taiwan ......

.... i agree that we are not in a position to do anything about kashmir at present, but who knows what the future might bring ...... nobody is advocating a 'hot' war, but you cannot back down on principles just because it is convenient .... if we give up on kashmir, we might as well cede the rest of the country to the horrible hindoos and revert to the religion of grandapa gopinath ........... i would be okay with that, but i like meat too much .........

Re: # 85

... besides, we can't condemn the excesses of islam/muslims and condone the same under different pretences ... that would be hypocritical

I am exploring this issue BEYOND the irreversibility of the act of circumcision

Re: # 82; hamidm sahib

kashmir will be the end of Pakistan and still WON'T be Pakistan! ... we need to move on

it was a wrong strategy that ended up us radicalising our own population ... bugger kashmir!! ... I am all for the LOC to become an international border!

once that occurs (officially), those kashmiris in India with an itch for 'freedom' will settle down like 'moot di jhagh'!

hamidm sahib: you think we could convert chak shahzad into an IDP camp?

cheema sahib: So what you meant was that we should disband the army AFTER they have "mopped the mess"? For a minute you had me worried.

Re: # 79

cheema sahib,

...... i have to disagree with you here ..... as long as the army sticks to what it is paid to do and does not interfere in politics, it deserves our support ........ in an ideal world, where pigs fly and masadi makes sense, nobody needs an army - not even the south koreans ......... but in the real world where you have horrible hindoos occupying part of your country and crazy taliban running wild in the northwest, the army is a necessary evil ......... i agree that the army needs to shut down its land development and cereal making businesses and focus on liberating swat and kashmir ........... once that is done, we can think about disbanding it ........

pak fauj zindabad!

Re: # 80; tahmed sahib

these tally-tubbies are their own creation in the first place ... had there been no army (to the level it was allowed to go to), there won't have been the taliban

now they ARE needed to mop up the mess ... and ONLY to mop up the mess and NOT for any GRAND purpose that is often ascribed to them by our janta

cheema sahib: you are right. we should disband the military and shower flower petals on the taliban as they burn girls schools. i always knew you could see beyond what mere mortals can see.

I agree with masadi and madani sahib here ... de-militarising (and goes without saying 'de-nuclearising') Pakistan would be the ideal scenario ... we don't have any external threats least of all from India

these 'hypes' about existential threats from India are exactly what keeps the army in business ... and forces the common man to say silly things like "pak fauj ko salam" and the like ... it is (and has been) a despicable institution in Pakistani history

Re: # 56
Asadi sahib,

Get a grip over yourself. One reforms an institution, not dismantles it entirely.

These men from the KKK need to be held accountable. The politicians and the Khaki Klan's corrupt men will be the first ones to be butchered by the roadside if the Tall Ebans appear in the plains.

It is THIS that they're afraid of. It is THIS that Mrika is afraid of; their agents will be hard to replace.