Reasons for War in the Pakhtun Land

Hello people!...I just wish and hope we come out of this mess and let Pakistan shine like the star it is!

Is army making nation fool,how they are taking action against criminal Taliban if they were able to,''ANP leader house blown up in Swat''....The miscreants Friday blew up the house and hujra of Awami National Party leader Khan Nawab in Shah Dheri area of Swat. The militants and the Lashkar of local tribesmen have declared ceasefire in tehsil Kalam of Swat still the extremists have been entrenched in bunkers and continuing their armed patrolling in the area. The Lashkar of tribesmen and the militants were agreed for truce yesterday after negotiations. In Takhtaband, Qanbar, Matta and Kabal the forces are targeting the hideouts of the militants. According to reports the forces and militants were also fighting in Kabal and Matta.
nation.com reporting.

I'm starting to have concerns about Chowk's discretion in publishing some of this material. Of course we've all heard the song and dance about free speech, but it is the responsibility of all citizens to ensure that they do not give a podium/soap box to people who are screaming out bald-faced lies.

All one has to do is type Taliban fire fight or something of the sort on youtube and see one of the many videos where Americans and their Afghan trainees fought against Taliban and captured them only to find out that they were from Southern Punjab rather than Pushtuns. It is a well established fact that one of the reasons the Karzai government hates Pakistan is because of the number of non-Pashtun Pakistanis who are involved in the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Secondly, this whole idea of Al Qaeda is ridiculous. There is still no proof that this organization even exists or that there is a single person who is actually a member. There are arabs here for sure...but that doesn't make it Al Qaeda...they've been here since the Afghan jihad and they settled here and had families here.

Then is the ridiculous idea that Taliban and this whole thing are some sort of Arab nationalism. This is just staggeringly stupid that it dont think it deserves a response beyond that....oh hell.....anyone who knows anything about these "Islamic movements" knows that nationalism is considered an alien ideology. For a "writer" to try to argue that this is arab nationalism is a demonstration of his/her total lack of knowledge on the subject.

Hey, we all seem seriously lack backgrounding in the issue and keep random shooting at each other..like in cowboys movies....

Is it American agenda, Pashtun agenda, Punjabi agenda, Indian agenda..... or.... Saudi-backed Wahhabi agenda. We should do our own independent analysis and make up our minds.

Check out the following links, some of it maybe propaganda stuff, but still worth a read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2 009/mar/08/islam-pakistan-rahman-baba
http://www.basicsproject.org/reports/waha bbi_oragnziations_north_america.pdf
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS21695.pdf
http://indianmuslims.in/dr-zakir-naik/
http://www.jamaat.org/new/urdu/

Re: # 18 Leadenwinter..Is it part of American agenda to flog a girl,shoot a couple and beat to death one poor guy in BARA because he did not pray???arn't we living in denial?

http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/

http://thepathans.blogspot.c om/

http://www.niacouncil.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1423 &Itemid=2

something indicative perhaps ??

No one should for a moment imagine that the Pakistani Taliban are not in fact separatists.. although there is a US backed agenda to suggest that the contrary is the case.....an agenda which every Pakhtun Fulbright scholar and the happy Pakhtun middle classes are conveniently singing from their rooftops in Washington and Islamabad.

The reason for the War... Pakhtuns are opportunistic

majumder dada...
it will not be very easy for Pakhtoons to spread influence in India...the bordering states like Punjab (Strong Sikh Base), Rajasthan (Strong Rajput,Gujjar base) and Gujrat ( I need not to say, how they dislike muslas) will try to prevent any influence from western front...Only place, they can find support is in Kashmir, which is heavily manned with IA....

#6 GF....
Most of the conclusions are based on observation and little bit of reasoning...He may not be wrong....
People in this area is utterly dishonest...
NATO supplied ammo to Afghan force is syphoned off to Talibs....

#6 by Goldfinger

its amazing what ridiculous and silly conclusions one arrives at in one's ignorance, myopia and bigotry...so how did this wonderful idea suddenly strike you?

Yaar GF, it is perfectly possible. The LTTE too used coercion to induct child soldiers into its ranks. Isn't it possible that the Taliban could have allowed family members to get away on condition that their able-bodied men be allowed to stay back to fight the PA?

Amin sahib,

the settled area pashtuns were more punjabised or i should say urbanised.

I guess this is what Zee sahib refers to as verkottey vilayetis.

the pashtuns may dominate a large part of afghanistan and pakistan in next ten years.

And what wud their strategic goals be? To create a greater Pukhtoon nation comprsing Pushtoon parts of Pak and A'stan. Or wud be to get greater share of resources within both Pak and A'stan without necessarily carving out a new state.

central asia has a strong russian father.

Besides the Central Asians are very ferocious fighters themselves and Pushtoons wudnt stand a chance against them on their territory.

traditionally the pashtun expansion areas would be south and east.main dangers to pashtun expansion are iranians and the pakistani extablishment.

Why wud Iranians oppose Pushtoon expansionism as long as it does not intrude any Iranian sphere of influence areas like the Dari speaking and Shiite regions.

What shud India's stance be shud Pushtoon nationalism come to blows against the Pak state?

Regards

the non violent ideas of khudai khidmatgars were against the very essence of pastun psyche however as the ANP became less idealistic it did well.however the opportunism of the khan family was well exposed by mr juma khan sufi a die hard NAP man who was finally disillusioned with the khan family.his book on bacha khan published by vanguard is worth reading.

having said that the tribal pashtuns are the real force of pashtuns.the settled area pashtuns were more punjabised or i should say urbanised.

the pashtuns may dominate a large part of afghanistan and pakistan in next ten years.

one may see :--

1- a pashtun dominance of parts of pakistan.
2-the pashtuns and the baloch and the mqm might be fightimg soon.

traditionally the pashtun expansion areas would be south and east.central asia has a strong russian father.main dangers to pashtun expansion are iranians and the pakistani extablishment.
Agha Amin

Amin sahib,

Re: 10

Hopefully (from an Indian perspective) this Pushtoon movement will be directed against Pakistanis and other Central Asians, not Indians.

Regards

there is nothing new in this . swat has seen Ambeyla expedition of 1863 in which the brits suffered maximum casualties in frontier history .launched against hindustani fanatics of syed ahmed shahid( parallel of modern al qaeda/talibs) , malakand expedition of 1890s etc.

the pashtuns have a strong religious bug which if triggered gets very explosive.

traditionally the mughals used pashtuns and the same was done by the pakistani state.

now its going out of control.the time is not far when a pashtun heavy movement may dominate the region.

the pashtun armed with any ideology is formidable.may it be khalqi talib or any damn thing.
Agha Amin

Drone might be the problem of punjab with their so-called sovereignty, though with begging bowls constantly in their hands, we have no problem with Drones, we have problems with you drones.