Reasons for War in the Pakhtun Land

Doesn't it surprise anyone that JI and JUI come out fully to rescue their "assets" under threat up in Malakand/Swat.

Hear their cries...

http://www.jamaat.org/new/urdu
http://www.juipak.org.pk/intro.htm

Re: # 34

The Pakistani establishment has a long proud history of creating and nurturing the religious fanatics in order to weaken the secular nationalists in the Frontier province, FATA and even in Balochestan whose people are far more secular than those of FATA and the Frontier province. Although many Pashtuns have fallen in this trap time and again but the Balochs have always successfully resisted such tactics of the establishment, they always were and still are secular nationalists.

MMA was also created by the establishment and the current ongoing humanitarian disaster is the direct consequence of 5 years MullahMilitryAlliance rule over Pashtunkhwa.

It is an obvious and well-known fact that the establishment detests Pashtun and Baloch nationalists and it has never missed any opportunity to eliminate them. Three Baloch leaders were killed in Turbat recentll and the whole Balochestan knows whose hands are stained with their blood.

Seems pretty clear to me that we have a couple of goons who are pretending to be Pakhtuns and making statements to piss Pakistanis off. Zeus, if you were a pathan...you wouldn't be using the term "Pashtun". Secondly, you would know from living in Pakistan that JI and JUI barely get any coverage as compared to MQM, PPP and PMLN. I am going to put a 10 foot pole up Chowk for this shit....I have warned them already and I promise all of you that you will see Chowk in trouble very shortly.

@khyber: But the media coverage given to JI and JUI is much greater than their popularity. This shows that pakistani(punjabi) establishment still keeps soft corner for these religious parties to counter the genuine nationalistic aspirations of Pashtuns.

There are many political parties today that are shedding tears over the military operation against the Taliban, despite a realisation across Pakistan that the Taliban are our enemies and must be destroyed, given that all other options have failed. But then it should not be so surprising given the history of some of these parties, which were propped up by the regime of General Zia-ul Haq, and were at the forefront of sowing the seeds of the extremism and terrorism we see today. Their hypocrisy and lies should be challenged by civil society and the media so that they may not mislead the nation.
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/

#34

I cant believe it, but I agree with tAhmad. Whats this world coming to?

#31 Dont twist facts to match your own twisted mind.

TrichMir: Agreed on Sindh, and it is very disappointing to see MQM change its tune so quickly after having taking the correct stand against terrorists.

But what about the Panjab? No "hartals" there against IDPs finding refuge there. Only volunteers doing collections, providing medical services.

And while you are at it, look at Afsandyar Wali Khan the coward who went into hiding until the military had put the taliban in their place - and emerged only to start exerting "authority" by restricting aid to IDPs to be channelled only through his own party.

A prime example of Paki brotherhood.

IDPs in Sind, Dawn.Com
At a time when the item at the top of our agenda should be the alleviation of the miseries of hundreds of thousands of people displaced from Swat and Fata, it is disturbing that the tragedy is assuming an ethnic dimension in Sindh.

If IDPs are fleeing their homes, they have no choice as their land is now a theatre of war. According to estimates, 1.5 million have become homeless in the last few weeks with a considerable number having come down to Sindh, mainly Karachi which has a sizable Pakhtun population. It is a pity that this influx has given rise to a strong reaction from the MQM and Sindh’s nationalist parties that are disturbed by any event that has the potential of upsetting the province’s ethnic balance. It is, however, important that in this hour of crisis the humanitarian aspect of the matter is not lost sight of. IDPs are entitled to economic assistance and social protection under international law and to all the rights the Pakistani constitution grants them, including the freedom of movement within the country.

Seen in this perspective, is the MQM right in demanding the compulsory registration of all IDPs and confining them to camps that do not even exist? Though one may understand the concerns of the local population a large chunk of which is poor and disadvantaged, this is not the time to start a debate on who is entitled to live where. Registration of IDPs is a ameasure that offers many procedural advantages. It facilitates the organisation and management of camps for the displaced. But it must be voluntary and for the specific purpose of providing relief and temporary rehabilitation and not for restricting movement. In the absence of camps many displaced people have sought refuge with family and friends who were already living in Sindh to earn their livelihood. In these circumstances the proposal for mandatory registration will be viewed with suspicion. The ANP has been registering IDPs to provide them relief. Over 4,000 families have been registered. It would relieve tensions if the Sindh and city governments, which include the MQM, also extended a helping hand to the IDPs.

It is ironic that the MQM, whose forefathers were provided sanctuary in Sindh in 1947, and the Sindhi nationalists, whose ancestors welcomed the ‘refugees’, should now be rejecting the IDPs. Fears that the displaced will not return home are unfounded. To equate them with the Taliban is another act of brazen prejudice. There is no denying that militants may have sneaked into the city but then Karachi has suffered violence at the hands of terrorists of every hue. Would it not be more feasible to adopt a policy that relies on effective intelligence, policing and de-weaponisation to weed out the terrorists in the city?

The ISI cum Punjabi mentality sees Al-Qaida cum Taliban ideology as a counteracting factor against Pashtun Nationalism.
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Nationalism is haram in Pakistani version of Islam, especially Pashtun and Baloch nationalism which is considered a bigger sin than any guhnahe kabeera.

Only those Pathans and Balochs are good Pathan and Balochs who have given up their own languages and culture and love to speak Ordoo, despise Hindu, and are always ready to let themselves rape in the name of Islam and paki brotherhood.

There is only one reason for war: Religious fanaticism.


War is good when kafirs are dying. Now the dogs are biting the masters.

Chowk should remove Pakhtoon Khan's article and publish a retraction. Its clearly over the line and can't be considered journalism, or even fair speech.

There is no Al-qaeda presence in Pakistan and pashtuns are the loyal pakistanis and the way Pakistani government and pakistanis are wholeheartedly supporting their own displaced family memebers show that pakistanis are one nation and all conspiracies to break them will fail.

The intention of writer is very conspicuous and with an agenda. The chowk should not allow such propoganda material to be published on this site.

"Based on my experience with the people involved...."

It really doesn't look like you have any experience with the people involved. You have not stated any sources in your article and anything which would demonstrate that you have such knowledge, let alone experience.

"The Al-Qaida mentality is purely an Arab mentality in the garb of religion. They are not interested in the materialisation of Monotheistic ideals translated into a socio-politico-economic system in the form of Islam but are more interested in the implementation of the Arab culture over the world using Islam as the tool for Arab domination instead of a panacea for woes of the world. This ideal of Al-Qaida therefore is indirectly an Arab nationalist ideal."

You say this based on what? A copy of the Al Qaeda constitution on their website? You moron...what facts do you have? In fact, what proof do you have that this organization even exists?

"It is this factor which attracts the Arab blood from across the world due to its anti-semetic appeal"

This sounds like it comes straight from the mouth of a guy who just pulled the deeply embedded pole of his foreign masters from his mouth. Anti-Semitism? What a totally stupid thing to say. Who do you work for? Or who are you trying to impress with this crap? My guess is you're trying to prove your poodle credentials to the goras who you hope will rule your ass again.

"Taliban is the localised version of Al-Qaida mentality."

Taliban existed for much longer than the myth of Al Qaeda. This is another example of baffling stupidity in pseudo journalism. How the hell could the Taliban be a localized version of Al Qaeda when the former predates the latter by many years?

"The interests of Taliban intersect with the ISI cum Punjabi ideals as far as the destabilising of India and Afghanistan are concerned. That is why army and ISI also corroborate Taliban’s ideology invisibly."

Again...some staggering leaps...no proof...just wild opinions and conspiracy theories. Punjabi ISI? I think you need to get an education. There are plenty of Pathans in the armed forces and ISI and there are plenty of Punjabis in the Taliban. Does this idiot actually get published anywhere else?

"The ISI cum Punjabi mentality sees Al-Qaida cum Taliban ideology as a counteracting factor against Pashtun Nationalism."

This sounds like hate speech against Punjabis. Chowk should not have published this....this idiot shouldn't have said it....but now that he has...it should be sufficient to demonstrate that he himself is the type of hate monger that he claims to be writing against. Yet another implant who is meant to divide and create hatred among the people of Pakistan.

"USA has a genuine concern against the rising power of China."

I guess this reveals who you're hoping to impress and work for. You sell out!

"Pakhtuns, despite of being a historically acclaimed potential retaliatory nation, have been denouncing and flaying extremism and terrorism in strong words and even stronger actions.

The fellow Americans have also started to realise the same, atleast as part of their current US foreign policy now, after ruining the Pakhtun land for the last three decades using the Pakistani army, ISI, Arabs, Central Asians and above all the feelings of our Idealist Afghans."

So now you spread your hatred from Punjabis to Arabs, central asians, all other Pakistanis and even idealistic Afghanis. The only potential friend you see are "fellow Americans". I hope someone in the Frontier reads your BS and pays you a visit to give you an education. Among the black community that suffered slavery, people like you were called "House Niggers"

"US should realise the fact, even now, that behind the "mad mullah" is a "bad military" of Pakistan and Al-Qaida has been Allocated-Quasi-political-aide-of America in the past."

So being a Pakistani and living in Pakistan, you declare Pakistanis and Pakistani institutions to be the enemy. Are you surprised than that too are treated like Sufi Mohammad?

"Pakhtuns, despite of the astraying propaganda by the theocracy and media of Pakistan, do not consider Americans as their real enemies."

Glad you spelled it out that you are in fact the enemy. Chowk should be investigated by PEMRA for this.

"It should be noticed that there is big media hype if a single non-Pashtun is killed in Pakistan while no TV channel, no newspaper, no human rights group ,no NGO literally no body except the International Socialists or Nationalists like PKMAP condemn the killing of even hundreds of Pakhtuns by the Pakistani army."

The people who are most strongly protesting the killing and injustice done to Pashtuns are those whom you call enemies....the Muslims of Pakistan who consider Pashtuns their brothers....I consider myself part of this group....however, Pashtuns like you should be jailed or executed in my opinion.

I intent to take this issue up with PEMRA and the relevant authorities. You're on notice...both Chowk and Pakhtun Khan.

Only justice to the federating units can save pakistan from disintegration.

Re: # 13
Pashtuns won't expand anywhere inside Iran or Central asia, they have thei well difined historical territory grabbed by the British and was donated to Pakistan. Just abolish Durand line and our land is complete. We don't need anymore land, the existing one is enough. We,alongwith Bengalis and Baloch have soon enough of Pakistan's culture and language imperialism apart from the total control over our natural resources. And you must understand one thing that Pashtun=afghan, there will be no Pashtunistan only greater Afghanistan.

Re: # 24...Hope so,it can only shine like a star if you have real revolution.
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/

Hello people!...I just wish and hope we come out of this mess and let Pakistan shine like the star it is!

Is army making nation fool,how they are taking action against criminal Taliban if they were able to,''ANP leader house blown up in Swat''....The miscreants Friday blew up the house and hujra of Awami National Party leader Khan Nawab in Shah Dheri area of Swat. The militants and the Lashkar of local tribesmen have declared ceasefire in tehsil Kalam of Swat still the extremists have been entrenched in bunkers and continuing their armed patrolling in the area. The Lashkar of tribesmen and the militants were agreed for truce yesterday after negotiations. In Takhtaband, Qanbar, Matta and Kabal the forces are targeting the hideouts of the militants. According to reports the forces and militants were also fighting in Kabal and Matta.
nation.com reporting.

I'm starting to have concerns about Chowk's discretion in publishing some of this material. Of course we've all heard the song and dance about free speech, but it is the responsibility of all citizens to ensure that they do not give a podium/soap box to people who are screaming out bald-faced lies.

All one has to do is type Taliban fire fight or something of the sort on youtube and see one of the many videos where Americans and their Afghan trainees fought against Taliban and captured them only to find out that they were from Southern Punjab rather than Pushtuns. It is a well established fact that one of the reasons the Karzai government hates Pakistan is because of the number of non-Pashtun Pakistanis who are involved in the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Secondly, this whole idea of Al Qaeda is ridiculous. There is still no proof that this organization even exists or that there is a single person who is actually a member. There are arabs here for sure...but that doesn't make it Al Qaeda...they've been here since the Afghan jihad and they settled here and had families here.

Then is the ridiculous idea that Taliban and this whole thing are some sort of Arab nationalism. This is just staggeringly stupid that it dont think it deserves a response beyond that....oh hell.....anyone who knows anything about these "Islamic movements" knows that nationalism is considered an alien ideology. For a "writer" to try to argue that this is arab nationalism is a demonstration of his/her total lack of knowledge on the subject.

Hey, we all seem seriously lack backgrounding in the issue and keep random shooting at each other..like in cowboys movies....

Is it American agenda, Pashtun agenda, Punjabi agenda, Indian agenda..... or.... Saudi-backed Wahhabi agenda. We should do our own independent analysis and make up our minds.

Check out the following links, some of it maybe propaganda stuff, but still worth a read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2 009/mar/08/islam-pakistan-rahman-baba
http://www.basicsproject.org/reports/waha bbi_oragnziations_north_america.pdf
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS21695.pdf
http://indianmuslims.in/dr-zakir-naik/
http://www.jamaat.org/new/urdu/

Re: # 18 Leadenwinter..Is it part of American agenda to flog a girl,shoot a couple and beat to death one poor guy in BARA because he did not pray???arn't we living in denial?

http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/

http://thepathans.blogspot.c om/

http://www.niacouncil.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1423 &Itemid=2

something indicative perhaps ??

No one should for a moment imagine that the Pakistani Taliban are not in fact separatists.. although there is a US backed agenda to suggest that the contrary is the case.....an agenda which every Pakhtun Fulbright scholar and the happy Pakhtun middle classes are conveniently singing from their rooftops in Washington and Islamabad.

The reason for the War... Pakhtuns are opportunistic

majumder dada...
it will not be very easy for Pakhtoons to spread influence in India...the bordering states like Punjab (Strong Sikh Base), Rajasthan (Strong Rajput,Gujjar base) and Gujrat ( I need not to say, how they dislike muslas) will try to prevent any influence from western front...Only place, they can find support is in Kashmir, which is heavily manned with IA....

#6 GF....
Most of the conclusions are based on observation and little bit of reasoning...He may not be wrong....
People in this area is utterly dishonest...
NATO supplied ammo to Afghan force is syphoned off to Talibs....

#6 by Goldfinger

its amazing what ridiculous and silly conclusions one arrives at in one's ignorance, myopia and bigotry...so how did this wonderful idea suddenly strike you?

Yaar GF, it is perfectly possible. The LTTE too used coercion to induct child soldiers into its ranks. Isn't it possible that the Taliban could have allowed family members to get away on condition that their able-bodied men be allowed to stay back to fight the PA?

Amin sahib,

the settled area pashtuns were more punjabised or i should say urbanised.

I guess this is what Zee sahib refers to as verkottey vilayetis.

the pashtuns may dominate a large part of afghanistan and pakistan in next ten years.

And what wud their strategic goals be? To create a greater Pukhtoon nation comprsing Pushtoon parts of Pak and A'stan. Or wud be to get greater share of resources within both Pak and A'stan without necessarily carving out a new state.

central asia has a strong russian father.

Besides the Central Asians are very ferocious fighters themselves and Pushtoons wudnt stand a chance against them on their territory.

traditionally the pashtun expansion areas would be south and east.main dangers to pashtun expansion are iranians and the pakistani extablishment.

Why wud Iranians oppose Pushtoon expansionism as long as it does not intrude any Iranian sphere of influence areas like the Dari speaking and Shiite regions.

What shud India's stance be shud Pushtoon nationalism come to blows against the Pak state?

Regards

the non violent ideas of khudai khidmatgars were against the very essence of pastun psyche however as the ANP became less idealistic it did well.however the opportunism of the khan family was well exposed by mr juma khan sufi a die hard NAP man who was finally disillusioned with the khan family.his book on bacha khan published by vanguard is worth reading.

having said that the tribal pashtuns are the real force of pashtuns.the settled area pashtuns were more punjabised or i should say urbanised.

the pashtuns may dominate a large part of afghanistan and pakistan in next ten years.

one may see :--

1- a pashtun dominance of parts of pakistan.
2-the pashtuns and the baloch and the mqm might be fightimg soon.

traditionally the pashtun expansion areas would be south and east.central asia has a strong russian father.main dangers to pashtun expansion are iranians and the pakistani extablishment.
Agha Amin

Amin sahib,

Re: 10

Hopefully (from an Indian perspective) this Pushtoon movement will be directed against Pakistanis and other Central Asians, not Indians.

Regards

there is nothing new in this . swat has seen Ambeyla expedition of 1863 in which the brits suffered maximum casualties in frontier history .launched against hindustani fanatics of syed ahmed shahid( parallel of modern al qaeda/talibs) , malakand expedition of 1890s etc.

the pashtuns have a strong religious bug which if triggered gets very explosive.

traditionally the mughals used pashtuns and the same was done by the pakistani state.

now its going out of control.the time is not far when a pashtun heavy movement may dominate the region.

the pashtun armed with any ideology is formidable.may it be khalqi talib or any damn thing.
Agha Amin

Drone might be the problem of punjab with their so-called sovereignty, though with begging bowls constantly in their hands, we have no problem with Drones, we have problems with you drones.

RE# 3
your observation? where did you make this observation? Have you been to any of the refugee camps, have you not seen the pics of these refugees in media.
http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/AP_Photo/2009/05/19/1242713389_7273/ 539w.jpg
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/5/10/12 41953641314/Swat-valley-refugees-001.jpg

Please keep your political agenda aside, try to help a mazloom.
Jungraiz Pukhtunyar

Re: # 3
i think it is a legitimate concern. the authorities should investigate this matter; however, it is no reason to target and harass the refugees and deny them the humanitarian help.

Re: # 3

durdanaashraf says..."Amazingly the families migrating from the war areas are women, children and old men and no young male members are coming to the refugee camps. Do these families not have any young male members?"

its amazing what ridiculous and silly conclusions one arrives at in one's ignorance, myopia and bigotry...so how did this wonderful idea suddenly strike you?

Mr. Pakhtun,
I can provide nice suggestion...
Kill Pakistanis, everytime you are attacked from drone...
I am sure, Indians will not help pakistanis or will try to trouble you guys.....

Re: # 3 So are you suggesting that 1.3 million internally displaced people should be allowed to die. kindly elaborate. moreover how have you conviently reached thios conclusion of no young males. A few TV shots or what?
I support military action against taliban but military action does not mean complete in humanity to those who live in that area. taliban may be a menace but not every one who had misfortune of being born in swat.

This is with reference to the refugees of the Swat situation. We would like to notify our one observation. Amazingly the families migrating from the war areas are women, children and old men and no young male members are coming to the refugee camps. Do these families not have any young male members? This observation compels us to think about their male young members – where they are? Are they involved in war activities? Are these families are actually Taliban / Dehshatgard families? If it is true, then we are actually providing food and shelter to the Taliban families who are disguised in Swat refugees and their male members are engaged in the war? What do you think about this?

Now we are at real war against cruel,ignorant thugs and religious fanatics,Pak-Army should push them into the mountains and bomb them, as hard as they will never see it again. Taliban must be fought and hit very strong. There are many kind of bombs that can attack them in their mountains hide-outs,rat holes and decimate them significantly.
Those Taliban "militants" don't earn their living. We don't need killers in this world like the Taliban, so whoever understand the threat is time to be safe and fight back without risking much of our life. They will go.those who wants to fight off this Taliban insurgency, so we can turn the page and make sure that we all are in a new same page and get to constructive behavior. There are so many things to do for this world that is not just killing each other, so those who wants to solve this world problems with violence must be taken away with violence.
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/

Wow...that was conspiracy theory brilliance.....so Al Qaeda has collaborated with Punjabi army( with most of the recent Chief of Army Staffs being non punjabi) along with Taliban (mostly non punjabis and a brain child of General Naseer ullah Baber,who once again is a non Punjabi) and together they are promoting USA interests!!!!!!!!!!!
That was brilliant!!!!!!!!!