Nadia Khan May 14, 2009
#25 Posted by Fouz on May 22, 2009 9:14:36 pm
Re: # 23
Other slogans of the family are "HAM KARACHI KO PARIS BANA DAINGAY" It is repeated just to gain votes and further squander funds and both the persons making and hearing that statement know it is incorrect. What would you call that? I would call that a lie.
Other slogans of the family are "HAM KARACHI KO PARIS BANA DAINGAY" It is repeated just to gain votes and further squander funds and both the persons making and hearing that statement know it is incorrect. What would you call that? I would call that a lie.
#24 Posted by Fouz on May 22, 2009 9:01:40 pm
Re: # 23
We lie when we put up something so improbable as Kashmir's becoming Pakistan and dupe the population into believing that all our problems will be solved thereby. I am all for the peaceful resolution of Kashmir someday but honestly do we all not know that its not coming to Pakistan as such? Apart from the rhetoric (Muslim brotherhood, UN resolution, India suddenly becoming charitable towards Pakistan), I would like to know what realistic expectations do we have of that?
We lie when we put up something so improbable as Kashmir's becoming Pakistan and dupe the population into believing that all our problems will be solved thereby. I am all for the peaceful resolution of Kashmir someday but honestly do we all not know that its not coming to Pakistan as such? Apart from the rhetoric (Muslim brotherhood, UN resolution, India suddenly becoming charitable towards Pakistan), I would like to know what realistic expectations do we have of that?
#23 Posted by banjara286 on May 22, 2009 8:10:58 pm
Re: # 22
first of all what really matters - from a moral standpoint - is a resolution of the problem which fulfills the aspirations of the kashmiris themselves. it may be accession to Pakistan, to India, outright independence, or some other (as yet unidentified) possibility.
coming back to ur question, from my viewpoint any of the above outcomes has a non-zero chance of happening; so i guess that answers it. it is certainly possible; how probable it is, is a different question to which, i suspect, no one has an answer.
except, it seems, u! what struck me was your claim to know that kashmir banega pakistan is a lie. how do u know that with certainty?
first of all what really matters - from a moral standpoint - is a resolution of the problem which fulfills the aspirations of the kashmiris themselves. it may be accession to Pakistan, to India, outright independence, or some other (as yet unidentified) possibility.
coming back to ur question, from my viewpoint any of the above outcomes has a non-zero chance of happening; so i guess that answers it. it is certainly possible; how probable it is, is a different question to which, i suspect, no one has an answer.
except, it seems, u! what struck me was your claim to know that kashmir banega pakistan is a lie. how do u know that with certainty?
#22 Posted by Fouz on May 22, 2009 7:41:46 pm
Re: # 21
Just one question. Is it possible? 62 years of being part of India and can we now honestly expect it to become part of the state of Pakistan?
Just one question. Is it possible? 62 years of being part of India and can we now honestly expect it to become part of the state of Pakistan?
#20 Posted by Fouz on May 22, 2009 6:30:43 pm
Why are we forgetting the all time favourite KASHMIR BANAY GA PAKISTAN! :P
Never in the history of political slogans has a promise been repeated for so many years. And the wonderful thing is that everyone knows its a lie.
Never in the history of political slogans has a promise been repeated for so many years. And the wonderful thing is that everyone knows its a lie.
#19 Posted by Zeus on May 22, 2009 3:24:02 pm
It is strange that the writer has selected only slogans from Punjab and Karachi. The rest of the nations are like some non-entities whose slogan have completely been ignored as if they don't exist here. Like ' we demand control of our own land' or 'Pashto should be made the official language of Pashtun land". Do they seem too unbearable to give attention to?
#18 Posted by KHYBER on May 22, 2009 9:16:34 am
Re: # 13..very well siad,unfortunately Pakistani Politicians talk about Democracy but don't have democracy in their own parties.
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/
#17 Posted by KHYBER on May 22, 2009 9:14:07 am
Actions are needed for a true REVOLUTION in Pakistan not slogans.
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/
#16 Posted by CheGuevara on May 22, 2009 7:37:20 am
Chowkstaff surely you should have some standards for publishing articles, this person can barely form coherent sentences.
#15 Posted by Afat on May 22, 2009 2:21:54 am
"JAAG PUNJABI JAAG, THERI PUGG NU LAGEE LAATH
asl mee
"JAAG PUNJABI JAAG, THERI PUGG NU LAGEyE Dagh
thaa...
asl mee
"JAAG PUNJABI JAAG, THERI PUGG NU LAGEyE Dagh
thaa...
#14 Posted by Afat on May 22, 2009 2:19:12 am
Lathi Goli ki sarkar naheen chaley gee naheen chaley gee.
AGr na Magr
sirf Altaf Nagr
Girtee huwi dewaroon ko
aik dhaka our doo
surkh hey surkh hey
Asia surkh hey
Sabz hey Sabz hey
Asia subz hey
Zara soor say boule jeetay gee
Zara dheemay boule jeeta gee
zara hosh say boulee jeetey gee
Zara Josh say boule jeetay gee..
or ....aysee si musalsal taqrar
#13 Posted by Fouz on May 21, 2009 7:26:40 pm
Re: # 12
We will move to a actual political party culture when...
1. The leaders start from grass roots, such as councilors, and work their way to the top rather than having their spouse/dad murdered ;
2. When the sons/daughters/nephews of a leader will not wait in the wings to assume daddy's seat;
3. When the administration has the right (and balls) to analyze the accounts of parties and their donors;
4. When leaders talk about issues rather than personality clashes;
5. When the electorate is educated enough to read the names and credentials of the candidates rather than mere symbols of the parties;
6. When...okay, I can't type so much...it will happen when hell freezes over.
That is imminent, isn't it?
We will move to a actual political party culture when...
1. The leaders start from grass roots, such as councilors, and work their way to the top rather than having their spouse/dad murdered ;
2. When the sons/daughters/nephews of a leader will not wait in the wings to assume daddy's seat;
3. When the administration has the right (and balls) to analyze the accounts of parties and their donors;
4. When leaders talk about issues rather than personality clashes;
5. When the electorate is educated enough to read the names and credentials of the candidates rather than mere symbols of the parties;
6. When...okay, I can't type so much...it will happen when hell freezes over.
That is imminent, isn't it?
#12 Posted by TehsinA on May 21, 2009 6:53:18 pm
When are we going to move from political parties which are nothing more then cult worship of their founders to actual political parties? Parties that are based upon political ideologies, of manifestos, of philosophies and leaders who attain their position because they are best suited to achieve those goals. They all scream about and participate in elections but never have elections within their ranks.
We can dismiss this too as just another thing that is wrong with the system, but this one is entirely doable. With enough questions in the media and embarrassing the leadership in public especially if the able rank and file decides to demand accountability it could be forced on the Rehnuma.
We can dismiss this too as just another thing that is wrong with the system, but this one is entirely doable. With enough questions in the media and embarrassing the leadership in public especially if the able rank and file decides to demand accountability it could be forced on the Rehnuma.
#11 Posted by Fouz on May 21, 2009 6:36:21 pm
What about "Zaalimo jawab do, khoon ka hisaab do", "Na Klashan na tee-tee, Haqiqui Haqiqui", "Qarz utaro, mulk sanwaaro", "Benazir aayaygi, roazgar layaygi", 'Sindh main jis ko rehna hay to jiyay mahajir kehna hay", etc.
By the way, your take on MQM has its valid points; but do refrain from thinly disguising it as a balanced political anlysis of all parties. Come out bravely and say it like it is. You will find your supporters.
By the way, your take on MQM has its valid points; but do refrain from thinly disguising it as a balanced political anlysis of all parties. Come out bravely and say it like it is. You will find your supporters.
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