Shoaib Daniyal May 16, 2009
#39 Posted by jang on May 20, 2009 12:25:48 pm
i think the MNS action happened when biharis started flexing their political muscle by performing chat pooja. bombay has had bangali durga pujas, gujju garba for ages..but this was different. it was done to organise the bhayya vote. only then the MNS and shivsena were able to get active (not very successfully). then laloo got special trains bringing recruits form bhyyaland to maharashtra for filling gangmen jobs. this was blatant misuse of power which noone from kendriya sarkar challanged. so sanjay nirupam who is a bhayya left shivsena (or was thrown out?) and now is a newly elected MP from bhayya rich bombay north-west beating BJP ex tel-mantri Ram Naik.
numbers do matter.
numbers do matter.
#38 Posted by shoaib_daniyal on May 19, 2009 11:52:56 pm
Harish, Harish, Harish,
But today, when the US is reeling under the impact of recession, Obama threatens to withdraw subsidies to countries outsourcing their work to countries like India
a) Let him actually do it. Even he he does, he'll harm the US in the long run.
b) Indians are not his countrymen. Technically he can screw with us as much as he wants.
But today, when the US is reeling under the impact of recession, Obama threatens to withdraw subsidies to countries outsourcing their work to countries like India
a) Let him actually do it. Even he he does, he'll harm the US in the long run.
b) Indians are not his countrymen. Technically he can screw with us as much as he wants.
#37 Posted by harish_hyd on May 19, 2009 9:42:28 pm
Yaar Shoaib, the fact of the matter is that despite all talk of free trade, most countries, including its greatest proponent the US, practice blatant double standards. When India was trying to protect its fledgling industries by not opening up its market, Americans were quick to accuse it of being protectionist. But today, when the US is reeling under the impact of recession, Obama threatens to withdraw subsidies to countries outsourcing their work to countries like India. So you see, free trade is not so free after all.
#36 Posted by harish_hyd on May 19, 2009 9:42:27 pm
Yaar Shoaib, the fact of the matter is that despite all talk of free trade, most countries, including its greatest proponent the US, practice blatant double standards. When India was trying to protect its fledgling industries by not opening up its market, Americans were quick to accuse it of being protectionist. But today, when the US is reeling under the impact of recession, Obama threatens to withdraw subsidies to countries outsourcing their work to countries like India. So you see, free trade is not so free after all.
#35 Posted by harish_hyd on May 19, 2009 9:42:26 pm
Yaar Shoaib, the fact of the matter is that despite all talk of free trade, most countries, including its greatest proponent the US, practice blatant double standards. When India was trying to protect its fledgling industries by not opening up its market, Americans were quick to accuse it of being protectionist. But today, when the US is reeling under the impact of recession, Obama threatens to withdraw subsidies to countries outsourcing their work to countries like India. So you see, free trade is not so free after all.
#34 Posted by nkg on May 19, 2009 9:41:10 pm
sh...
not all biharis...
this is not matter of economy...more of HR and labour management policy....
Even today, most of the non-officer grade recruitments are supposed to be local recruitments in Govt. departments...that was the norm for long time....
not all biharis...
this is not matter of economy...more of HR and labour management policy....
Even today, most of the non-officer grade recruitments are supposed to be local recruitments in Govt. departments...that was the norm for long time....
#33 Posted by shoaib_daniyal on May 19, 2009 9:22:47 pm
NKG,
the people of the state (or state govt.) do not like external workers, then honor it....
I think the people of the state should honour it by being ready to pay higher wages to their co-regionalists. Let's have an economic boycott, shall we? All the Biharis/Bengalis (E&W) would then go back automatically.
Can't have your cake and eat it too, now can you?
the people of the state (or state govt.) do not like external workers, then honor it....
I think the people of the state should honour it by being ready to pay higher wages to their co-regionalists. Let's have an economic boycott, shall we? All the Biharis/Bengalis (E&W) would then go back automatically.
Can't have your cake and eat it too, now can you?
#32 Posted by nkg on May 19, 2009 9:15:42 pm
Re: # 30
Majumder...
Obama is able to threaten, as US based corporates take loan from US banks with cheap rate, but invests that in elsewhere, specialy in APJ region....If the corporates don't look for unnecessary sops, Obama's threat will carry no meaning, as it is against WTO norm (unlimited migration of skilled manpower)....
Majumder...
Obama is able to threaten, as US based corporates take loan from US banks with cheap rate, but invests that in elsewhere, specialy in APJ region....If the corporates don't look for unnecessary sops, Obama's threat will carry no meaning, as it is against WTO norm (unlimited migration of skilled manpower)....
#31 Posted by nkg on May 19, 2009 9:12:33 pm
Re: # 28
sh...
Allowing uncontrolled migration is not sensibility.
Strength of indian federal structure is by providing enough autonomy to each state. If the people of the state (or state govt.) do not like external workers, then honor it....
Bihari and Waste Bengalee/BD migrants are greatest nuicense everywhere in India...
sh...
Allowing uncontrolled migration is not sensibility.
Strength of indian federal structure is by providing enough autonomy to each state. If the people of the state (or state govt.) do not like external workers, then honor it....
Bihari and Waste Bengalee/BD migrants are greatest nuicense everywhere in India...
#30 Posted by majumdar on May 19, 2009 9:01:57 pm
Nkg moshai,
Agreed that USA and EU do not permit unrestricted immigration but they allow internal migration freely, dont they.
That's what Indians shud do as well. Allow free migration internally but strictly monitor/restrict immigration from outside the country.
Regards
Agreed that USA and EU do not permit unrestricted immigration but they allow internal migration freely, dont they.
That's what Indians shud do as well. Allow free migration internally but strictly monitor/restrict immigration from outside the country.
Regards
#29 Posted by majumdar on May 19, 2009 9:00:21 pm
Shoaib bhai,
#26
Of course. That's why Nobama's attempts to restrict outsourcing shud be fought tooth and nail by us as well as US corporates.
Regards
#26
Of course. That's why Nobama's attempts to restrict outsourcing shud be fought tooth and nail by us as well as US corporates.
Regards
#28 Posted by shoaib_daniyal on May 19, 2009 8:59:43 pm
NKG,
entire europe and usa do not facilitate recruitment of blue color workers from countries,outside EU( for europe) and north americas (for USA)...
And I don't give a shit about blue-collar workers coming from outside India. But when you have agreed to constitute a Union let's all behave a bit sensibly shall we?
entire europe and usa do not facilitate recruitment of blue color workers from countries,outside EU( for europe) and north americas (for USA)...
And I don't give a shit about blue-collar workers coming from outside India. But when you have agreed to constitute a Union let's all behave a bit sensibly shall we?
#27 Posted by nkg on May 19, 2009 8:56:37 pm
Re: # 24
entire europe and usa do not facilitate recruitment of blue color workers from countries,outside EU( for europe) and north americas (for USA)...
entire europe and usa do not facilitate recruitment of blue color workers from countries,outside EU( for europe) and north americas (for USA)...
#26 Posted by shoaib_daniyal on May 19, 2009 8:54:35 pm
Majumdarda,
I guess it isn't all that bad that Bihar, UP and Waste Bengal are basket cases
Just as it's not bad that an Indian would be ecstatic with a salary that would be sneered at by a bum in the US and we have grads doing the work that a 5th grade pass-out wouldn’t touch there.
Economic inequalities are a fact. Restricting free trade only exacerbates it.
I guess it isn't all that bad that Bihar, UP and Waste Bengal are basket cases
Just as it's not bad that an Indian would be ecstatic with a salary that would be sneered at by a bum in the US and we have grads doing the work that a 5th grade pass-out wouldn’t touch there.
Economic inequalities are a fact. Restricting free trade only exacerbates it.
#25 Posted by nkg on May 19, 2009 8:54:31 pm
Re: # 20
Majumder...
Mumbai is a state capital, where the state language is given second priority over Hindi/Urdoo...That is one of the reason, BMC and other Govt. installations recruit more of Biharis/UP wallas than marathis...
I know pretty well, north maharashtra is not devoid of tribal poor people, who can be provided job in Mumbai...but the city culture is groomed in such a way that, even a maharashtrian wants to get a job in Mumbai, have to learn Hindi/Urdoo....This is big issue...
Majumder...
Mumbai is a state capital, where the state language is given second priority over Hindi/Urdoo...That is one of the reason, BMC and other Govt. installations recruit more of Biharis/UP wallas than marathis...
I know pretty well, north maharashtra is not devoid of tribal poor people, who can be provided job in Mumbai...but the city culture is groomed in such a way that, even a maharashtrian wants to get a job in Mumbai, have to learn Hindi/Urdoo....This is big issue...
#24 Posted by shoaib_daniyal on May 19, 2009 8:50:18 pm
NKG,
in most of the countries, movement of unskilled/semi skilled labour is restricted
And those countires are?
Anyways, the fact remains that it's a two way exchange as all free-trade is, and it benefits everybody. Let's not get all commie, shall we?
in most of the countries, movement of unskilled/semi skilled labour is restricted
And those countires are?
Anyways, the fact remains that it's a two way exchange as all free-trade is, and it benefits everybody. Let's not get all commie, shall we?
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