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#367 Posted by ahmedmadani on June 6, 2009 3:56:17 pm
Ref Dr Shankar.... some back you asked Rhetorically if Arabs care for Pakistan as Pakistans do ? You wanted to they do not care. That is not true responsible Arabs and major Arab powers like kingdom of saudi arabia, turkey, urdan, iran , iraq, central asia, and of all PLO and friends. Most reformed and man of chage is Colonel M.G. of Libiya. Hs understanding and love and caring of pakistan and Kashmir shows very clearly his deep love, sympathy please read for yourself. Does any nation in world care for India ? Nobody is emphatic and tragic answer.
The Pakistan Quagmire By Moammar GadhafiPosted: May 30, 2009 Sat 05:02 pm Views: 72 Interacts: 0 The Pakistan Quagmire
A tangled web of regional challenges
By Moammar Gadhafi
May 29, 2009 "Washington Times" -- The West, particularly America, and Israel never wished for Pakistan to possess a nuclear bomb. But on May 28, 1998, they woke up to the fact that Pakistan had become a nuclear state and blamed their intelligence services for failure to anticipate the nuclear tests. Countless books, articles and speeches called Pakistan's nuclear bomb the "Islamic bomb," as loaded a term as any, as many considered it a doomsday weapon directed against their interests.
Every effort was made to dissuade Pakistan from owning the bomb. American Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger frankly told then Pakistani Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, "If you make the bomb, we'll make an example out of you."
Mr. Bhutto, the founder of Pakistan's nuclear program, was, of course, hanged. Gen. Zia al-Haq, who Islamized Pakistan and consolidated its nuclear program, was murdered. More recently, Benazir Bhutto, Mr. Bhutto's daughter, was assassinated. Others still may face a similar fate.
The question, however, is: Why do neither the Americans nor the Israelis want Pakistan to possess the bomb?
Pakistan is a Muslim country. In fact, Islam is the very foundation for the existence of Pakistan. Except for religion, there really are no other factors that unite Pakistanis. This explains why the Pakistanis are fanatic about religion. It is the essence of their nationhood. Islam is for the Pakistanis as Judaism is for the Israelis, a matter of existence. This is not the same for other countries. China, for example, would be China with or without religion. Similarly, Iran would be the same even without religion. The same applies to Turkey. Pakistan is unique. There can be no Pakistan without Islam, as Islam was the basis for its separation from India and its raison d'etre as a state. Truly, the Pakistani nuclear bomb is a Muslim bomb. Islam for the Pakistanis is not a question of faith only but also a question of identity.
Pakistan is witnessing dramatic changes because of its complex demographic structure. Socially, it is composed of various ethnicities and fierce tribes - bordering Afghanistan - that have no loyalty to either Pakistan or Afghanistan. This is a heterogeneous structure comprising people who speak different tongues, which disunites them rather than bringing them together.
Pakistan faces challenges even within its region. It is threatened by the Shi'ite Muslim state of Iran and the Hindu and Buddhist India. Islam in Pakistan does not exist in a safe region. It is surrounded by a hostile environment that provokes its very Muslim essence, facing Buddhism and Hinduism as well as fanatic doctrines and intolerance.
This is the reason behind the formation of violent Muslim groups affiliated with the fierce tribes in Afghanistan as well as al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. These groups, such as the Jama Islamiya, the Association of Muslim Scholars, the Ulamaa of Pakistan, the Ahl-e-Hadith, the Islamic Movement and others, in fact, provided protection for bin Laden and his movement. They are numerous, vocally declaring their fanatic concept of Islam.
The danger such fanatic groups constitute for the Israelis and Americans is that they may hold the reins of power, to which they indeed aspire. If these groups governed the state, which is a possibility, that would be a very dangerous outcome for the Americans and Israelis. On the other hand, if political parties, such as the Pakistan People's Party, or even the army, ruled, things would be relatively safe because they presumably constitute responsible institutions. Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that they can form sustainable governments.
If any of these extremist groups were to hold power, the key to the nuclear bomb would be in their hands. This has created the Pakistani quagmire for the Americans and Israelis. To address this potentially dangerous situation, they have attempted to further drive a wedge of hostility between Pakistan and neighboring India.
The Pakistanis are told that their enemy is the Hindus, not the Jews or Christians, and therefore their bomb should be directed toward them, the Pakistanis' immediate enemy, and not anyone else. Similarly, the Indians are led to believe their real enemy is Pakistan and that the Pakistani bomb was directed toward them rather than the Israelis or Americans.
This policy aims to preoccupy Pakistan with India and India with Pakistan. Perhaps this is why America has not been willing to contribute to solving the Kashmiri problem, whereas the Israelis will try to keep it always flammable.
Tension and anxiety will continue, as will the danger posed by a nuclear Pakistan. Attempts by the Israelis and Americans to extricate themselves from this quagmire, by all means, also will never cease. Either way presents a dangerous endgame to the region and the world.
Moammar Gadhafi is the leader of Libya.
Pakistan also shows affects to Arabs like Old Lylpur is Fazalabad ( the kings of arabia have special love for any body who is president of Pakistan) or stadium in honor in Col M G. second best city of Pakistan.
Good day.
The Pakistan Quagmire By Moammar GadhafiPosted: May 30, 2009 Sat 05:02 pm Views: 72 Interacts: 0 The Pakistan Quagmire
A tangled web of regional challenges
By Moammar Gadhafi
May 29, 2009 "Washington Times" -- The West, particularly America, and Israel never wished for Pakistan to possess a nuclear bomb. But on May 28, 1998, they woke up to the fact that Pakistan had become a nuclear state and blamed their intelligence services for failure to anticipate the nuclear tests. Countless books, articles and speeches called Pakistan's nuclear bomb the "Islamic bomb," as loaded a term as any, as many considered it a doomsday weapon directed against their interests.
Every effort was made to dissuade Pakistan from owning the bomb. American Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger frankly told then Pakistani Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, "If you make the bomb, we'll make an example out of you."
Mr. Bhutto, the founder of Pakistan's nuclear program, was, of course, hanged. Gen. Zia al-Haq, who Islamized Pakistan and consolidated its nuclear program, was murdered. More recently, Benazir Bhutto, Mr. Bhutto's daughter, was assassinated. Others still may face a similar fate.
The question, however, is: Why do neither the Americans nor the Israelis want Pakistan to possess the bomb?
Pakistan is a Muslim country. In fact, Islam is the very foundation for the existence of Pakistan. Except for religion, there really are no other factors that unite Pakistanis. This explains why the Pakistanis are fanatic about religion. It is the essence of their nationhood. Islam is for the Pakistanis as Judaism is for the Israelis, a matter of existence. This is not the same for other countries. China, for example, would be China with or without religion. Similarly, Iran would be the same even without religion. The same applies to Turkey. Pakistan is unique. There can be no Pakistan without Islam, as Islam was the basis for its separation from India and its raison d'etre as a state. Truly, the Pakistani nuclear bomb is a Muslim bomb. Islam for the Pakistanis is not a question of faith only but also a question of identity.
Pakistan is witnessing dramatic changes because of its complex demographic structure. Socially, it is composed of various ethnicities and fierce tribes - bordering Afghanistan - that have no loyalty to either Pakistan or Afghanistan. This is a heterogeneous structure comprising people who speak different tongues, which disunites them rather than bringing them together.
Pakistan faces challenges even within its region. It is threatened by the Shi'ite Muslim state of Iran and the Hindu and Buddhist India. Islam in Pakistan does not exist in a safe region. It is surrounded by a hostile environment that provokes its very Muslim essence, facing Buddhism and Hinduism as well as fanatic doctrines and intolerance.
This is the reason behind the formation of violent Muslim groups affiliated with the fierce tribes in Afghanistan as well as al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. These groups, such as the Jama Islamiya, the Association of Muslim Scholars, the Ulamaa of Pakistan, the Ahl-e-Hadith, the Islamic Movement and others, in fact, provided protection for bin Laden and his movement. They are numerous, vocally declaring their fanatic concept of Islam.
The danger such fanatic groups constitute for the Israelis and Americans is that they may hold the reins of power, to which they indeed aspire. If these groups governed the state, which is a possibility, that would be a very dangerous outcome for the Americans and Israelis. On the other hand, if political parties, such as the Pakistan People's Party, or even the army, ruled, things would be relatively safe because they presumably constitute responsible institutions. Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that they can form sustainable governments.
If any of these extremist groups were to hold power, the key to the nuclear bomb would be in their hands. This has created the Pakistani quagmire for the Americans and Israelis. To address this potentially dangerous situation, they have attempted to further drive a wedge of hostility between Pakistan and neighboring India.
The Pakistanis are told that their enemy is the Hindus, not the Jews or Christians, and therefore their bomb should be directed toward them, the Pakistanis' immediate enemy, and not anyone else. Similarly, the Indians are led to believe their real enemy is Pakistan and that the Pakistani bomb was directed toward them rather than the Israelis or Americans.
This policy aims to preoccupy Pakistan with India and India with Pakistan. Perhaps this is why America has not been willing to contribute to solving the Kashmiri problem, whereas the Israelis will try to keep it always flammable.
Tension and anxiety will continue, as will the danger posed by a nuclear Pakistan. Attempts by the Israelis and Americans to extricate themselves from this quagmire, by all means, also will never cease. Either way presents a dangerous endgame to the region and the world.
Moammar Gadhafi is the leader of Libya.
Pakistan also shows affects to Arabs like Old Lylpur is Fazalabad ( the kings of arabia have special love for any body who is president of Pakistan) or stadium in honor in Col M G. second best city of Pakistan.
Good day.
#366 Posted by shankar on June 6, 2009 3:27:42 pm
interesting article about Pakistani reacion to taleban from the bbc
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8085680. stm
I guess in Pakistan an "Indian agent" is an euphemism for anybody who is bent upon hurting Pakistan. They are even circulating nude photos of alleged Taliban dead who are uncircumcised. Now the Taliban are actually non Muslims dressed up to resemble Taliban.
Riaz...you ought to look into this...sounds like an Indian conspiracy..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8085680. stm
I guess in Pakistan an "Indian agent" is an euphemism for anybody who is bent upon hurting Pakistan. They are even circulating nude photos of alleged Taliban dead who are uncircumcised. Now the Taliban are actually non Muslims dressed up to resemble Taliban.
Riaz...you ought to look into this...sounds like an Indian conspiracy..
#365 Posted by shankar on June 6, 2009 3:11:12 pm
Tehsinji,
Nobody is trying to "sink this Bismark".
A jackass will remain a jackass even if you try & teach him the Holy Quran.
Nobody is trying to "sink this Bismark".
A jackass will remain a jackass even if you try & teach him the Holy Quran.
#364 Posted by TehsinA on June 6, 2009 3:02:36 pm
SINK THE BISMARCK:
Lone Pakistani Riaz-Bismarck against the entire Indian fleet.
Damn it! He just wont go down.
Lone Pakistani Riaz-Bismarck against the entire Indian fleet.
Damn it! He just wont go down.
#363 Posted by shankar on June 6, 2009 3:01:29 pm
Goldfinger,
Narcissists never ever see a psychiatrist
Are you kidding me?!
To them, they are the sanest, wisest people on earth & the rest of the world (esp those who differ) are crazy..beneath contempt...
Try again, beta:)
Narcissists never ever see a psychiatrist
Are you kidding me?!
To them, they are the sanest, wisest people on earth & the rest of the world (esp those who differ) are crazy..beneath contempt...
Try again, beta:)
#362 Posted by RiazHaq on June 6, 2009 2:21:01 pm
As a nation with one of the highest population densities in the world, Bangladesh will be one of worst affected nations as sea levels rise from climate change. About half of BD is likely to come under water this century, if the current trends continue as predicted. And BD, as one of the poorest nations, lacks the resources of Holland to fight back the water rise.
Indeed the process of migration from the shore area may have already begun, though in a subtle way, and will intensify as the situation worsens. But where will the people go? There's an enormous pressure on the capital city, Dhaka. And that pressure, by the way, is not abating as more and more people keep cramming into this over-crowded city every day. Moreover, living conditions in Dhaka are continually deteriorating because of lack of such basic amenities - like electricity and clean water. Dreadful circumstances are also mounting in other cities of the country. Above all the invasion of government land is becoming common, even in rural areas.
So the other feasible alternative might be to migrate to the neighboring country. In fact, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predicts exactly such a scenario. As the sea level rises, the panel estimates another 35 million people from Bangladesh will cross over into India by 2050.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
Indeed the process of migration from the shore area may have already begun, though in a subtle way, and will intensify as the situation worsens. But where will the people go? There's an enormous pressure on the capital city, Dhaka. And that pressure, by the way, is not abating as more and more people keep cramming into this over-crowded city every day. Moreover, living conditions in Dhaka are continually deteriorating because of lack of such basic amenities - like electricity and clean water. Dreadful circumstances are also mounting in other cities of the country. Above all the invasion of government land is becoming common, even in rural areas.
So the other feasible alternative might be to migrate to the neighboring country. In fact, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predicts exactly such a scenario. As the sea level rises, the panel estimates another 35 million people from Bangladesh will cross over into India by 2050.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#361 Posted by Goldfinger on June 6, 2009 2:13:24 pm
Shrinks are notorious for being more or less like their own clients that they supposedly treat...
#360 Posted by RiazHaq on June 6, 2009 1:51:33 pm
Re: # 355
The current and future generations of Bangladeshis will pay for Mujib's deception and destruction of his people. He has essentially sold you into Indian slavery for the sake of his own ambition. But you ain't seen nothing yet.
Most analysts believe Bangladesh is not a viable nation as it has been created. With Pakistan it had a better chance of survival. Even Indians, who midwifed BD's traumatic birth, will regret the creation of Bangladesh because of the adverse impact it is having and will continue to have in the Indian states adjacent to BD.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
The current and future generations of Bangladeshis will pay for Mujib's deception and destruction of his people. He has essentially sold you into Indian slavery for the sake of his own ambition. But you ain't seen nothing yet.
Most analysts believe Bangladesh is not a viable nation as it has been created. With Pakistan it had a better chance of survival. Even Indians, who midwifed BD's traumatic birth, will regret the creation of Bangladesh because of the adverse impact it is having and will continue to have in the Indian states adjacent to BD.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#359 Posted by Goldfinger on June 6, 2009 1:48:47 pm
Re: # 273
nemesis3...don't you sound utterly silly and disgusting as you negotiate through the colossal lumps of muck within your own country (both Hindu and Muslim) and to proclaim, "We are better beggars than you are!"?
nemesis3...don't you sound utterly silly and disgusting as you negotiate through the colossal lumps of muck within your own country (both Hindu and Muslim) and to proclaim, "We are better beggars than you are!"?
#358 Posted by shankar on June 6, 2009 1:47:25 pm
Typical,
Anyone who doesn't parrot the official military/ISI line is a RAW agent! A genocide took place & the guy is blaming Mujib (who won by a landslide in E.Pakistan) as an Indian agent!
That is typical of the Pak military & their supporters. They have NEVER won a war in their blighted history , but ,for some strange reason, are very proud of it. Gen Niazi , in his book, equated his butchers to the Afrika Corps!
agantuk mian,
Riaz will google stats to show how Pak is ahead of even the US!
Pew,
The guys is an unabashed narcissist. Narcissists are so cocksure their opinions are right that that get angry when people try to burst their bubble---accuse them of being bigots, confused, uneducated & chauvinist.
Famous narcissists were Hitler, Himmler & Goebbels. They were so sure of how perfect & superior the Nazi race was; in reality all 3 of them were short, deformed & paranoid---quite the antithesis of the Blond haired blue eyed Aryans that they were representing. Narcissists, deep down inside, have a very low self esteem, which is covered up by lot of projection.
Anyone who doesn't parrot the official military/ISI line is a RAW agent! A genocide took place & the guy is blaming Mujib (who won by a landslide in E.Pakistan) as an Indian agent!
That is typical of the Pak military & their supporters. They have NEVER won a war in their blighted history , but ,for some strange reason, are very proud of it. Gen Niazi , in his book, equated his butchers to the Afrika Corps!
agantuk mian,
Riaz will google stats to show how Pak is ahead of even the US!
Pew,
The guys is an unabashed narcissist. Narcissists are so cocksure their opinions are right that that get angry when people try to burst their bubble---accuse them of being bigots, confused, uneducated & chauvinist.
Famous narcissists were Hitler, Himmler & Goebbels. They were so sure of how perfect & superior the Nazi race was; in reality all 3 of them were short, deformed & paranoid---quite the antithesis of the Blond haired blue eyed Aryans that they were representing. Narcissists, deep down inside, have a very low self esteem, which is covered up by lot of projection.
#357 Posted by RiazHaq on June 6, 2009 1:43:43 pm
Re: # 354
You can celebrate. But having cheap currency isn't always bad. Chinese know it better than any one else. They deliberately keep the value of the yuan low.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
You can celebrate. But having cheap currency isn't always bad. Chinese know it better than any one else. They deliberately keep the value of the yuan low.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#356 Posted by agantuk on June 6, 2009 1:42:01 pm
Pakistan want to get rid of the shame of committing a genocide in BD by putting the blame on india , RAW and Mujib, when will you have the moral courage to face the truth?
Mr. Riaz Haq has declared me a slave of 'indian bigots',
people always use these kind of name calling or abusive words when they lose the debate.
Mr. Riaz Haq has declared me a slave of 'indian bigots',
people always use these kind of name calling or abusive words when they lose the debate.
#355 Posted by agantuk on June 6, 2009 1:31:30 pm
Mr Riaz Haq and other pakistanis like him think that Mujib is despicable , why? because bengalis voted for him,because Mujib did not compromise with killer Yahia-Bhutto gang, did not betray his voters and made them slaves of punjabis for another 100 years? FYI, In an online poll by BBC radio service, Mujib was voted as best the bengali ever born, beating out Tagore and othr prominent bengali personalities.
#354 Posted by agantuk on June 6, 2009 1:22:24 pm
RiazHaq,
We understand that you are frustrated as your army used up all the aid money to build suicide bombers and their own fortune. Now you are venting out this frustration at chowk , here is more frustrating news for you, right now
1 BD Taka = 1.19 Pak Rupee, keep on pity us.
We understand that you are frustrated as your army used up all the aid money to build suicide bombers and their own fortune. Now you are venting out this frustration at chowk , here is more frustrating news for you, right now
1 BD Taka = 1.19 Pak Rupee, keep on pity us.
#353 Posted by RiazHaq on June 6, 2009 11:29:18 am
Re: # 352
How convenient! Just pointing out more bad news in the current refugee crisis next door while ignoring the daily routine catastrophe in Shining India! Smell your veggies. They are all rotten.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
How convenient! Just pointing out more bad news in the current refugee crisis next door while ignoring the daily routine catastrophe in Shining India! Smell your veggies. They are all rotten.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#352 Posted by Pew_Research on June 6, 2009 11:12:56 am
Re: # 351 Riaz
Charming! Get used to the 'emergency' soon. It is becoming the new 'normal'. Today's NYT:
...Spurned in much of its Arab heartland, Al Qaeda lately has shifted its attentions to Pakistan, where it still enjoys high approval ratings, bringing the suicide bomb to its old allies the Taliban. “It’s an easy thing to say that bin Laden is feeling increasingly marginalized, and support in the Mideast for Al Qaeda’s aims is at an all-time low, but new clusters of Arab militants are re-gathering in Pakistan,� Mr. Miller said. Significantly, Mr. bin Laden’s audio statement last week focused on Pakistan’s efforts, approved of by President Obama, to drive the Taliban out of Swat Valley, less than a day’s drive from Pakistan’s capital and its main nuclear research laboratories...
Charming! Get used to the 'emergency' soon. It is becoming the new 'normal'. Today's NYT:
...Spurned in much of its Arab heartland, Al Qaeda lately has shifted its attentions to Pakistan, where it still enjoys high approval ratings, bringing the suicide bomb to its old allies the Taliban. “It’s an easy thing to say that bin Laden is feeling increasingly marginalized, and support in the Mideast for Al Qaeda’s aims is at an all-time low, but new clusters of Arab militants are re-gathering in Pakistan,� Mr. Miller said. Significantly, Mr. bin Laden’s audio statement last week focused on Pakistan’s efforts, approved of by President Obama, to drive the Taliban out of Swat Valley, less than a day’s drive from Pakistan’s capital and its main nuclear research laboratories...
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