Is TALIBANIZATION a New Phenomenon?

Re: # 461

SPY,

Only if we think in a positive spirit can problems be solved…what good are all the richest people of India or the merely rich of Pakistan, to the countless poverty stricken, problem riddled masses of both the countries? What good are all the great fortune 500 companies if within the same country the dispossessed are daily dying of thirst, hunger, strife and easily curable disease? While bombs, rockets and space exploration may be some sort of scientific achievement, what good is it if the same money that is spent on all of this is needed more by the masses of the country?

Re: # 458

shankar,

it’s good to know that we agree on the premise that both India and Pakistan are possessed by some horrific evils, which have to be sorted out before either could be called a great place to live in for its inhabitants…as for your problem with Riaz that he is spinning data to prove Pakistan is better than India...well I’m sure he’s doing this (often from sources, like the UN etc) in response to the many times more Indians who have been on a campaign on chowk and everywhere else to say a lot worse about Pakistan and the religion the majority of its people believe in…maybe he is calling people Nazis & bigots because he probably feels that a lot of them are pushing skewed, racist agendas…while at the same time a lot of Indians are resorting to calling him names…just because they do not have answers to the data he is presenting….

Re: # 490 He got on my nerves :)

Riaz ul Haq is a product of Zia's regime and benefitted the most from the Army's coups.

He needs to be tapped by the FBI becuase he can provide vital clues to the world wide web of islami terror and their handlers.

Re: # 488

Riaz Mian,

You got it wrong. Modi and his cohorts killed about 10,000 muslims in Gujrat. Any commentary on the 50,000 Muslims that have been killed in Swat by other Muslim?

And why do you think the Gujrat progam against Muslims started?

Fareed Zakaria was in Flint Center a couple of months ago. Did you go listen to him speak? I doubt if you have even read his book. He doesnt quite claim that. If you still claim that is what he writes, I might have to change my opinion of you and call you uneducated. All Fareed talks about is potential and not a state de jure.

C'maan Pew,

that was completely uncalled for..

Re: # 488 Riaz

We all love our shining India. Now go F yourself!

I can see the bigots are unhappy from anything that shows them the sad reality of "Shining India". When they can't offer any cogent arguments, they get personal and abusive.

Clearly, they prefer the false image of India portrayed by Fareed Zakaria and other spinmeisters like him. In his book, The Post-American World, he describes India as a "powerful package" and claims it has been "peaceful, stable, and prosperous" since 1997 - a decade in which India and Pakistan came close to nuclear war, tens of thousands of Indian farmers took their own lives, Maoist insurgencies erupted across large parts of the country, and Hindu nationalists in Gujarat murdered more than 2,000 Muslims.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

gianijee, i am sure riaj does some thing else other than counting the stray cows in dilli..this is just chowk. his postings here dont take a whole lot of time or complex research..heck there are websites which collate this kinda india-specific data (e.g. there used to be dalitistan).

Pew, to clarify, it takes quite an effort for an educated person to consistently prove that he is an idiot. Such effort is definitely worthy of admiration. :)

Re: # 482, 483 and 484

Pew, yes i admire him. He is doing more harm to himself that everybody else put together. And, he is obviously demonstratingly quite clearly that he is an ignoramus.

Dude, he could very well be retired (by choice or otherwise). So what if he is unemployed. Doesnt mean anything. Go by what he says.

Jang, None at all. I think Riaz is an educated pakistani and I feel sorry for him bcos instead of using his education to improve the lot of his people and country he is focussing his energy on deriding India and indians. Dont you feel sorry for him?

"Still he does not deserve the treatment meted out him. "
"but all that still does not justify him being abused.

I kinda find his posts funny and wonder why this educated Pakistani takes the route he takes in his posts.

Riaz sahib, sometimes i do feel sorry for you. I hope not all educated Pakistanis are like you."

oye giani..do you see any contraditions?

Re: # 482

And (c) Someone who is unemployed?

Re: # 481 Giani

You admire someone who is (a) rigid, and (b) uses statistics in an obviously misleading manner?

I humbly request that this abuse of Riaz Haq must stop. Just because he is caught in this vortex of delusions of granduer, does not give anybody the right to abuse him.

Riaz Haq does illustrate some truths about the state of affairs in Inda. This should be appreciated. I suspect that he is an offspring of Mohajirs, who have this warpped sense of effort of constantly having to justify the actions of their forefathers in demanding a separate country.

Still he does not deserve the treatment meted out him. I admire him for the following.

1. He posts under his name - he is not trying to hide.
2. He is rigid in his views - No amount of reason works
3. He is resourceful - he does his research and prints gross numbers instead of per capita ones bcos that what makes his case.

but all that still does not justify him being abused.

I kinda find his posts funny and wonder why this educated Pakistani takes the route he takes in his posts.

Riaz sahib, sometimes i do feel sorry for you. I hope not all educated Pakistanis are like you.

and this...

...Christian leaders in Pakistan have come out strongly against the imposition of ‘Jizya, or the Islamic tax’ on Christians and other non-Muslims in Khyber Agency in Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) on the border with Afghanistan...Dr. Nazir S Bhatti, Chief of Pakistan Christian Congress PCC has urged government of Pakistan to take notice of collection of Jizia from Christians, Sikhs and Hindus in Khyber Agency...

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20090608/pakistan-christia n-leaders-call-for-an-end-to-islamic-tax/index.html

and this from the last story:

...In fact, to tell you honestly, health is not our national priority. It is very unfortunate,’ says Dr Arshad Khan, the health ministry's top man in Mardan