Is TALIBANIZATION a New Phenomenon?

Goldfinger,

India has poverty and hunger. How is that Pakistan's business? How is that relevant to a discussion between India and Pakistan? Who gives a rats ass if India is shining or not? That will be determined by the people of India. They have the means to dump a government if they don't like it and they will exercise their right.

Who is this azzhole to dictate who people should vote for in Gujarat? Please ask him not to presume that he speaks for Indian Muslims. They are perfectly capable for speaking for themselves. The pigs who were hunted down in Mumbai are yet to be buried because Indian muslims will not allow them to be buried in Muslim graveyards.

Paksitan's history is steeped with lies, deception & subterfuge. They openly practice religious bigotary. It is enshrined in their constitution. What is more -- it is very proud of it. They are also openly racist. Riazzhole himself has spoken about how fair and well-fed Pakis are. Bangladesh happened because these punjabis could not let themselves be ruled by short, dark rice eating Bengalis in spite of the Bengalis contributing the major chunk of the GDP and also having the major chunk of the population. So they unleashed an army to systamtically exterminated millions of Bengalis and yet blame them for this. None of the genocidal army were brought to justice -- not a single hearing was held. Yet this shameless azzhole brushes it under the rug as if all they did was run a redlight. You probably have not read this thread fully. Please read it.

The general public in India -- that includes a LOT of muslims -- do not trust Pakistan or its intents. Now the rest of the world is coming to the same conclusion. Every terrorist attack on the planet has a link to Pakistan.

India does not have to do anything here. The aggressor has ALWAYS been Pakistan. India will continue in its development path with or without Pakistan. The ball is squarely in Pakistan's court. It has to pull itself up from its boot laces.

Therefore, India needs to just let nature take its course. No need to influence in anyway, be vigilant and just let things run their course. It is sad in a way but inevitable.

However, when they come for the uber pakis like Ri-azzhole, I will be cheering. You can count on it.

hamid mian,

americans have gone left, and europeans have gone right.

you voted for the leftist obama. so as a paki centric person where are you these days? what is your GHQ telling you? left, right, or somewhere in between?

Re: # 271 Goldfinger...your responses are in positive spirit and I agree to most of your points related to:

- "basically both the sub-continental nations are mired in monumental problems". Perfectly said. Both nations need to spend more on education and health rather than the arms race. But as long as the relations are treated as a zero sum game, it cannot happen. India spends lesser % of its GDP compared to Pak, despite knowing Pak's past of misadventures (Kargil, Parliament, Mumbai 26/11 etc.) and presence of China.

- "here are you all bunch of Indians acting as if you belong to some great international power". Do not agree. We have still a long way to go to become one.

- "India's natural competition ought to have been China". Perfectly said. We do try to match against the USA, China etc. although we are still far away in many ways. Indian manufacturing quality is better than the famed German, in the last decade.

- "I've visited India and have seen with my own eyes the appalling misery, poverty, corruption, illiteracy,....etc." You are right and nobody denies these do not exist in India. But India also has the richest Indians, many companies in Futune500, its own moon rocket/space department, best possible hospitals etc. India is such a vast and diverse country that any two opposing / contrasting statements can be true in India. Now obviously the rich would not share their wealth with the poor or the govt cannot give free food

Hamid mian,

why are you egging on this uninitiated paki? the ones that you consider are from the unwashed masses. wasn't that a code word of stupidity of the pakis.

Please stop getting to the same level with madani sahib. In his own peculiar and meandering way, madani sahib, at least comes across as somewhat sensible, whereas you come across as just .........{you fill in the blanks}

Re: # 448
You have doubts about Nazi-like RSS agenda?
Here is a quote from Golwalkar, the RSS founder, himself:

"To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the semitic Races — the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well nigh impossible it is for Races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by."
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Goldfinger,

{{.the heart of the matter is that both India and Pakistan are blighted by multifarious problems...we can't say that India is now the shining example of a perfect heaven and problems remain only with Pakistan..}}

Agreed...& vice versa is also true...my objection to Riaz is that he is spinning data to prove Pakistan is better than India. If he only does that...I can uderstand.

Then he becomes abusive & calls people slaves, nazis & bigots. Haha--talk about projection!

#371 Posted by RiazHaq

I am sure quran teaches you to run with the hares and hunt with the hounds.

I am surprised to learn that whatever schemes or strategies Mohammed thought about as an ordinary and sometimes vindictive illiterate person(sometimes egged on by his followers, as in Medina) were snatched from Allah's mouth through double horned gins or angels, whatever, and imposed on illiterate masses as a permanent truth.

Irony of islam is you can do anything that pleases you quoting the verses from Quran and then, when things get too hot, just repudiate them saying the verses were referred to out of context and if necessary, dump anybody, including Osama and mulla omar who were considered the saviours of Islam not very long ago.

The case against india is - you need to act like big brother so that we can live like US/Canada. It's all your fault for this sorry state of affairs.

Well, India did act like big brother in 1947-1950. It declared itself secular rather than a hindu country. The result - 1/7th of its folks are muslims and many of them at highest levels of powerful positions. This does not however mean kashmir will be handed over on a silver platter to the little brother to make him smile.

US/Canada relationship? Can not happen until both countries have same core values and constitutional rights so that people can easily move around the border. Our "two brothers" DO NOT have same core values - secularism, attempt to move towards rule of law (not perfected yet even in india) rather than law of danda. We might have to wait 100 years or so until our dear little brother is fully democratic and secular.

Mr. Riazhaq
This is for your reading pleasure.

SWAMINOMICS
India is now flooded with $1 billion per week
Swaminathan S Anklesaria Aiyar


After six months of financial drought, global money is flooding into India at the rate of $1 billion a week. If sustained, this will be the mother of all financial stimuli, eclipsing the finance minister's budgetary endeavours.

The dollar flood is not due to the Congress election victory. In April, foreign institution investors (FIIs) poured $1.3 billion into Indian equities. They poured another $1.87 billion in the first half of May - before the election result. For May as a whole, the inflow was $4.14 billion, or a billion a week.

This is part of a global phenomenon. Since April, $20 billion has flooded into all emerging markets. The Sensex is up 50% in 2009. But Russia is also up 63%, China 57%, Brazil 60%, and Argentina 45%. So, the dollar flood is not India-specific: it is part of a global rush into all emerging markets, especially the BRICs (Brazil, Russia, India and China).

Till March, global markets were paralysed by fear. The global meltdown had brought down some of the world's biggest corporates - the top five investment banks, the biggest insurance company (AIG), the biggest bank (Citibank) and the biggest auto company (General Motors). Global investors fled into US gilts carrying almost zero interest, fearing that anything else was unsafe. FIIs pulled $12 billion out of India in 2008, and the biggest Indian corporates couldn't get global funding. Their profits and projects were hard hit.

But the darkest hour is before dawn. After hitting rock bottom in March, global investors finally sensed that governments across the world had, by pouring trillions into rescues, ensured that the crisis would not get worse. The pall of fear lifted. And investors started moving out of US gilts earning virtually no interest into investments with higher returns.

Now, economic conditions in the US, Europe and Japan remain grim. Despite rescues, their financial sectors remain stressed, as rising defaults in credit cards, realty and corporate loans add to the travails from the earlier housing bust. The IMF estimates negative to zero growth in these large economies till late 2010. But emerging markets, especially the four BRICs, are registering positive growth. India's quarterly GDP growth of 5.8% may look very weak compared to its earlier peak of 9%, but is nevertheless fabulous compared with zero or negative rates in the advanced economies. China has decelerated from 12% to 8%, but that remains the highest in the world.

So, with fear lifting, global billions are moving out of safe havens into growth havens. Risk premiums on all financial asset were sky-high in March but have now fallen sharply. So, global billions are moving into junk bonds, corporate debt, commodities, and emerging markets too. Idle money waiting to be invested adds up to at least $2 trillion, maybe much more. If just $100 billion of this goes into emerging markets, that will fuel huge stock market booms.

Sceptics say this is another bubble in the making, unjustified by current profits or any change in India's economic fundamentals. Now, foreign direct investment in factories is certainly better than FII inflows into stock markets. But the flood of $1 billion per week is not just speculative froth, it is actually improving our economic fundamentals.

Earlier, the economy was hit by a negative feedback loop. That is, stress in banks reduced credit to industries, which then suffered falling profits and loan defaults. These in turn worsened the balance sheets of banks, which then lent even less to industry, in a vicious downward spiral.

The new flood of $1 billion a week is changing the negative feedback loop into a positive one. Suddenly real estate companies that were almost insolvent and could not attract either loans or equity have been able to place almost $2 billion with qualified institutional investors.

If shady real estate companies can attract money, anybody can. Suddenly access to finance has become easier and cheaper. Improved finance means improved profits in industries, which means fewer loan defaults. This in turn means better balance sheets for banks, which will be able to lend more to industries, in a virtuous upward cycle.

Thus, a positive feedback loop is replacing the negative one. The bad news is that exporters will be hit by the appreciation of the rupee caused by the dollar flood. The dollar has gone from Rs 52.06 on March 20 to Rs 46.84 on June 4. Still, the positive feedback loop should lift India's GDP growth to 6-7% in 2009-10, up from earlier estimates of 5-6%. That is a substantial gain, though not revolutionary.
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After six months of financial drought, global money is flooding into India at the rate of $1 billion a week. If sustained, this will be the mother of all financial stimuli, eclipsing the finance minister's budgetary endeavours.

#453 by Goldfinger

Ideal would have been if both India and Pakistan could have lived side by side like say US and Canada...but probably that is asking for too much considering the terrible bigotry and hatred...and the responsibility for this lies with India more since it is the bigger neighbor and you guys have to make the first move for appeasement and diffusing of tensions if you wish.

Yaar GF, who decides that? If you say that since India is the bigger neighbor, we bear the responsibility for cooling down tensions, we could argue as a smaller neighbor, Pakistan should not try to provoke India time and again. And no, we do not wish for anything. We will continue to grow, even if slowly, regardless of Paki meddling. But you must remember just a couple of years into accusations (yep, they are just that) that India is aiding the Taliban and Pakistan is already crying hoarse that it is being destabilized by an "unfriendly neighbor".

Re: # 447

cool,

look here...whatever Riaz is producing...the heart of the matter is that both India and Pakistan are blighted by multifarious problems...we can't say that India is now the shining example of a perfect heaven and problems remain only with Pakistan...because we know what and how it is...and definitely a lot of hatred and bigotry drives a lot of your emotions...and if that is so there would certainly be a reaction from the other side as well. Ideal would have been if both India and Pakistan could have lived side by side like say US and Canada...but probably that is asking for too much considering the terrible bigotry and hatred...and the responsibility for this lies with India more since it is the bigger neighbor and you guys have to make the first move for appeasement and diffusing of tensions if you wish.

Re: # 446

Ok thanks for clarifying this...I thought probably it meant something very much worse...after all my language is different, you see :)

Hamid mian,

{{ i wouldn't pay any attention to india if it was not occupying kashmir, setting off bombs in lahore and supplying arms to the taliban .....}}

Where in the world do you have any evidence that India is setting bombs in Lahore & supplying arms to taliban??!!

because the Pak media & GoP says so? Gimme a break! Whenever a Paki farts, he blames the "sinister foreign hand" for giving him gas..

OTOH we (fortunately) caught Kasab alive & red handed--to the point that Pakistan had no choice but to admit he was Pakistani & the operation was planned in Pakistan....despite trying real hard to intimidate people in Faridkot not to talk.

But your feeling about not wanting to do anything with the neighbor across the border is mutual...if you guys don't nurture those "strategic assets" to attack the Indian parliament and citizens.

Also...I wonder if the bus tours from IOK to POK has led to mass migration of Indian Kashmiri slaves to Azaaad Kashmiri heaven? I guess if the poor IOKs were miserable with the horrible hindoos, they would be doing just that.

stuka,

What happened to you? You are one of the few Indians on Chowk who visited Pakistan, met a few Pakistani Chowkies & wrote very positive positive reports.

Lately, many of you posts suggest that you are really ticked off at them.

Re: # 427 hamidm2 says - "I wouldn't pay any attention to india if it was not ... supplying arms to the taliban".

What are you saying Hamid mian...The whole world knows and your Pak army admits that it has so assidously groomed, nurtured the Talibans as part of the famed "strategic depth" policy to be used against India. How can India supply arms to the Talibans.

Trying to claim victory after making a self-goal.

Re: # 439 Riaz says "as they defend the Nazi-like RSS agenda against the minorities in India, and support Modi and company's butchery, while demonizing Pakistanis and Muslims".

You are grossly mistaken as there are enough opponents (including me) to the RSS/Modi within India, but still they cannot be equated to the Nazi or the Pak terrorists. The RSS/Modi is an India internal matter and the law is catching up with them. Secondly they do not go about creating problems in Pak, as the Ajmal Kasabs and umpteen Pak sponsored terrorist groups in India.

Although I would personally not get involved at the ugly discussion happening currently, but truth is that - As long as Pak uses terrorism as a policy against India, they would get "demonising" responses from the Indians. Do they expect flowers in return or invitations to more Kasabs? It is as simple as that.