Is TALIBANIZATION a New Phenomenon?

#496 RiazHaq:

Don't believe Fareed Zakaria. He is India-born Muslim apostate and Jew-lover who likes to beat Pakistan to gain acceptability in the Americal political class. Kamath

Re: # 496 My hope is that India can become a beacon of hope for Pakistanis and others in the region by doing the right things for the vast majority of its people

Why should Indian be the beacon? (has India taken thekka for this!) Why cannot Pakistan be the "real beacon" of light? Afterall, it was formed because Muslims cannot live with the horrible, dirty, superstitious hindus, who do not have notions of justice, equality, fairplay in their genes.

Where I stand, I see that this is a role Pakistan should play, and it is eminently suited for this(T)

Re: # 474 Riaz says "Golwalkar's history is not only surviving, it is thriving in the Sangh Parivar that ruled India for a while and still rules many states such as Gujarat and Karntaka".

Riaz - You know more about Golwalkar, than most of the Indians. That makes you the rightful inheritor of Golwalkar.

BTW Gujrat is one of the most prosperous states of India and closely followed by Karnataka with Bangalore as the IT hub of India/world. That should make you rethink about the statements you made.

Posting on behalf of Masadi sahib who has again been illegally detained by chowkstaff.

Chowk staff have illegally detained me now three days, blocked me from opening new accounts, shut down all my other accounts, subjected me to chowk boarding and thrown the key away- please inform friends and enemies...

Regards

Re: # 496 Riaz...You are a changed man, your response are very positive and very different from the 100s of the past response in the past couple of weeks.

Your statement about India becoming hope/becon for Pakistanis is a big surprise to the extent of flaterring.

I have observed that the Pakis are extremists (do not get offended at it or mix it with terrorism at all). I mean they go from one extreme to another in no time, that it be comes difficult to understand or believe them.

1. The same Musharaff who planned Kargil, claims to be a "Man FOR Peace".
2. A few days back on this same thread there was one comment about "India arming the Talibans", when everyone knows that the Talibans were groomed as "strategic assets/depth" for use against India.
3. A few months back there were 2-3 articles talking about how TNT / 1947 was a mistake and the current problems of Talibanization, poverty, IMF loan default etc. facing in Pakistan would not have happened, if Pak would have been part of united India, etc. etc.

#502 Posted by Goldfinger

"You say: “Pakistan's history is steeped with lies, deception & subterfuge.�…Pakistanis say vice versa regarding India."

Well, that is another lie by Pakistan. Pakistanis rarely speak truth.

When Kargil happened, they said jihadis did it
When 26/11 happened, they said Kasab was not a Pakistani.
When Taliban was created, they said they did not do it.

They accept it only when incontrovertible evidences are thrown at their face.

#504 Posted by SPY

Further, just imagine the condition of any Government that has to feed those people who multiply copiously just in the belief that the risq (ration) is given by Allah. Where has that money to come from? Government money is common man's tax money. Expect to rob Peter to pay Paul?

Re: # 495 Goldfinger...All your statements are such that they cannot be refuted/opposed by any right thinking person in an ideal situation, and universally applicable be it India or Pak.

But there is the catch, the reality is very much different from the idealism that you talk. When even within a family you cannot force a brother doing very good/rich to fully share with other members, how do expect that sharing to happen at a society or national level. While there are a lot of poor indians that need help for basics such as food, health, education etc. there is also a lerge number of indians who the best in their field at the world level and they cannot be prevented from pursuing their dreams for setting up Infosys, Wipros, Reliance etc.

Your views could have been easily implemented in a small country like Singapore, Taiwan or a country like China, but not in a democratic country like India.

the longer they keep kasaab smiling in court, the more poison & hatred it will spread, why not just hang him & get it over with !!! they got him on tape, he has confessed too so what else you need? enough of this BS already.

ok we know from reports how he died but why am I hearing from my indians friends that the death of Hemant Karkare was a conciperacy & was planned by the radical hindu groups who he had blamed for the 2008 Malegoan blasts? why this refute?

Re: # 463

coolAl,

while in part you can peruse my responses to Shankar and spy, as for your gripe on, “India has poverty and hunger. How is that Pakistan's business? How is that relevant to a discussion between India and Pakistan? Who gives a rats ass if India is shining or not? That will be determined by the people of India. They have the means to dump a government if they don't like it and they will exercise their right,�...well it’s not that…it’s just that Indians do the same, but become angry when others do it to them.
You say: “Pakistan's history is steeped with lies, deception & subterfuge.�…Pakistanis say vice versa regarding India.
You say: “They openly practice religious bigotary. It is enshrined in their constitution. What is more -- it is very proud of it. They are also openly racist.�…Pakistanis say its Indians who do so, quoting the examples of Gujrat, Ayodhya etc.
You say: “The general public in India -- that includes a LOT of muslims -- do not trust Pakistan or its intents.� Pakistanis say the other way around. And so on and so forth. You see, every time you point a finger at someone, three of your own fingers point at your own self. In short lets admit that terrible problems exist, both for Pakistan and India, and these ought to be tackled appropriately rather than to score points against each other.

We are just ordinary people who want to live life to the fullest.

Not believing in a vulgar mindset of considering this life as some sort of a trial or test for attaining membership to the arabiasn club in the after life!!

#498 Posted by laddu

And stop sending more Kasabs to India.

Israel is not moving nor is Kashmir.

#494 Posted by Goldfinger

" a lot of Indians are resorting to calling him names…just because they do not have answers to the data he is presenting…."

A pot should not call the kettle black!

In a discussion of taliban phenomenon, Indian railtrack squatters are not going to offer any solutions.

The characteristic attitude of the Pakistanis is that they first indulge in attacking others tooth and nail and when the others retaliate, call themselves the victims.

Pakistan created taliban and now cry from the rooftop that they are the victims of terror.

Re: # 496

Now , you want indians to be "hope" and "beacon" for others!!

sorry, we do not have any illusions of grandeaur , of being "light" to some group!

We reject leadership of any sort.

Just leave us alone and stop this vular jehad of yours.

dismantle all those lashkar-e-nonsense and mujahideen-e-pakistan and those rasool-e-paak-pissitan.

We do not want to show light to any one.

Please live in your shariah land , eating khajurs and learning arab.

we have nothing to do with you- just stop even thinking about us!!!

#492 Posted by laddu

"He needs to be tapped by the FBI becuase he can provide vital clues to the world wide web of islami terror and their handlers"

Alternatively, he can join hands with Zaid Ahmed, the so called defence analyst of Pakistan to form a formidable team of jokers. This may help riaz to relieve his pressure to a great extent.

Re: # 495
Goldfinger,
I do hope sincerely that my words encourage and energize the new generation of Indians (not the septos and octos in charge of the government) to dedicate themselves to improving the human resources of India, the most important of all resources India possesses.

No nation has ever achieved greatness by leaving the majority of its people behind.

My hope is that India can become a beacon of hope for Pakistanis and others in the region by doing the right things for the vast majority of its people.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide