Is TALIBANIZATION a New Phenomenon?

Dear writer
Yes, we do need a secular Pakistan where each and every citizen needs to be respected equally, which must be without cruel feudalism, mullahism, islamization, talibanization, corruption and discrimination.

Pakistan needs to be socialist country like China where all people need to work hard day and night to raise their self respects.

Where beggars should be exterminated, which should never beg from other countries, where people like zardaries should be exterminated forever.

Enough of this chaos.

Where religion should be a personal matter, where people need to be mentally educated to recognize the basic difference between right and wrong, where all islamic parties and their bearded satans should be burned alive.

These feudals and islamic satans are the basic evils thriving in the rotten Pak society....the whole society needs to be revolutinized not based on religion, but, absolutely based on one's own credibility and humanity.

Taliban: Allah’s Communists
Not long ago the west had poured couple trillion dollars all along Western Europe, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore and other frontline countries to ward off rising
tide of communists. There was a global revolt against status quo, as the human nature could not remain stagnant in the wake of evolutionary processes. However, a vast front of people served as volunteer foot soldiers for imperialism - without spending a single cent on them. These were Muslims from Turkey to Indonesia who slaughtered atheist communists in the name of Allah. Since Saudi’s tail was under Washington’s foot there was not much worry about anything in recruiting Muslim fighters. Over one million
leftists were killed in Indonesia alone. And this extraordinary power was fully exploited in Afghanistan when the Soviet Union was shattered by the efforts of global
Mujahideens. Then the west quietly divorced itself from Jihadi affairs to have a period of solo honeymoon. Unfortunately it did not last long. Today it is faced with a genuine kind of proletariat movement and has no clue how to counter it on ideological levels. If history
is any guide we know that the religion was the best tool the imperialists exploited to counter godless communists. With that loophole tightly sealed now there are very few
options left. Ambushing in the name of women freedom and unfortunately that is met with brutal reaction as once Stalin did to religious henchmen in Central Asia who tried to exploit so called religious freedom. And Taliban have a lot more potent ammo in their arsenals on how the women are mistreated in the west anyway. Just another piece of commodity. How about countering by other sects such as Shia and Sunni? That is still not singing. Who are Taliban and what they want? Not many research or investigative reports are out there.
With the fall of western media influence, mainly because of its misleading reports to support government agenda in recent wars, people are left with little choice other than
turning to Internet, which is full of genuine to imaginary stories. Recently the New York Times called the Taliban movement as Class War. CNN called it Robin Hood style work.
But still we lack any concrete information about this movement. Common people are in tight-lip situation because of the fear of their persecutions ranging from tax investigations to phone bugging to terror charges. Their suppressed feelings are a challenge to so called
freedom of expression.
Taliban rejected the government appointed Qazi Islamic Shria courts. The reason is simple because they believe that these courts are based on Pakistan Islamic Ideological
Council (Pakistan Islamic Nazriati Council) set on Saudi Pattern molded by American puppet Zia Ul Haq and monopolized by CIA agents Jamat e Islami. They wanted more
egalitarian type courts. Taliban are head on collision with Justice Iftikhar Choudhry as they consider him a ringleader of the colonial left over legal system. Taliban rejected
Jamat e Islami and Army sponsored Jihad in Kashmir as they do not consider Muslims as a separate nation and have no qualm in living side-by-side with Hindus. And Jamiat chief in Kashmir Gilani is calling Tliban fight anti-Islamic. This is another blow to imperialist machinations to exploit the religious divide. Mostly these Taliban are Pushtoons who are by birth Bolsheviks. Right next to Punjab, that is rife with caste system, a Pathan chief will sit with his driver to eat on the same mat. And they are everywhere, in every corner, street, institution and of course mosques. Their relation with Al Qaeda now is no more than just sharing the same enemy.

It is alleged that Benazir’s government created Taliban. Alas another media myth. Mullah Omar was just an ordinary clergy in a small mosque in Kandhar when tanks fight broke
out between two rival commanders over one young beautiful body. And Omar’s prayer followers hanged both commanders. And then they were on their way in masses without
any efforts. Other myth that right wing reactionary forces like Jamat e Islami and Taliban agree on some aspect of Islamic system. Jamat is a private militia nurtured by the
Pakistan army for its heinous crimes. Taliban completely reject the notion of colonial leftover army. Jamat though divorced with CIA in public is still married in private. The
next looming fight is most likely between them in future. Jamat considers Taliban as obsolete and ignorant but forgets that they are more honest and straight forward. Most
importantly their popularity is won by deeds not by dollars. Further, Taliban do not prostitute Islam for imperialism as Jamat does.
What is next? That is the easiest question with almost impossible answer. The US will fund its adventure for sometime. It costs the USA to pay $ 10 billion per month in Iraq. It is like a drop in a bucket paying $1.5 billion per year to Pakistani army to fight for them.
Although at present Pakistan army is conquering only roads in Swat to its credit the real fight is just few meters from highways. But this money making fight is rife with dire consequences. It will become more harder in coming years when Al Qaeda will re-ignite its Jihad in Iraq. They are waiting just for the right moment. When the USA will leave the territory with billion dollars in floating money invested in drugs, guns, prostitution and gangs businesses, the need for Taliban will be felt more than ever. The Pakistan army, which until now capitulated on Kashmir issue, will have to sell the world nuke phobia to stay in business but that too will be short lived. Will average person be well off? If the capitalism is still around in its present form then may be not. But if the earth itself becomes hot enough then the Taliban lifestyle may be the only choice for most of the masses. The notion of winning a war against masses is like building a wall in front of marching ants. They will be delayed but sure will climb to reach the other side.

SAMAN ANEEL,''VERY WELL SAID AND VERY IMPRESSIVE ARTICLE,YOU ARE RIGHT BY SAYING,''We need a secular Pakistan where our own culture, morals and values breeds, rather than borrowing from neighbors or west. Religion is a personal thing not to be imposed by the state. Win the hearts of people by development and not by war. Curbing terrorism needs cooperation and commitment with other countries and it’s only possible if our democratic elected President works on his credibility. We should not forget that Taliban was our own creation and the creator always knows the weakness of its creation. ''
Although Jinaah did a favor to us by creating Pakistan in India but the problem is our leaders after him became slaves of imperialists,capitalists, bourgeious and this Pakistani elite used Islam as their weapon , they imposed Islam on their citizens,kept them illiterate and done nothing for their progress.They never told us that Jinnah was a secular,he was not religious fanatic,by demanding a separate country for Indian Muslims,he did not mean to be a country like saudi arabia.The problem is when Gen.Mush took power he claimed to be a follower of ATTA TURK and had a dream of making Pakistan a secular country but then this power hungry general jumped into club of opportunists politicians and forgot his goal. Religion is a personal thing and Taliban,mullhas or anyone does not have any right to impose it on others.
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Re: # 1ZEENA, WELL said and I agree with your views.
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Another third rate below grade school level article that chowk staff has published while it ignores articles whose one paragraph is of greater intellectual worth than all of these third rate Western propaganda articles put together. BTW Pakistan was not created so that Muslims could practice Islam, it was created so that that Western thugs could practice colonization, using Islam as a crutch. Further the Zia "Islamization" was similarly Western inspired due to expediency of fighting the Soviets and it occurred in the 1980s in the most part and not the 1970s as you write you dimwit. Further the name "Islamic republic" is similar propaganda as Saddam adding Allah ho Akbar to his flag while fighting the US even though he was hard core secular. Of course the Hindu bigots like Khyber who are feigning being Pakistani because the slime balls have no spine will like this piece of garbage that is being displayed on the FP of Chowk for the whole world to see that this colonial state of Pakistan is producing moronic dimwits....

TNITC masadi

In the name of Islam we have been exploited to the extent that the nation was asked to vote for 'Islam' in a referendum to uphold a dictator's regime back in 1984.Now when we have our backs against the wall, imagine what is being done in the name of religion.

Link is attached

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=181123

I agree with masadi & zeena.

zardari is not a politician, he is a landlord turned something something & as a rapper would often say "fresh outta jail!!!" :) he will run the country as he would run the lands, i.e not much thinking involved when deciding something.

I bet the pakistani govt. got inspiration from srilankans and what they did to LTT,more civilains died there comparing to swat, so pak army went out all guns blazing.

"if you are in the way it's not our fault !!!"

but srilankans were smart, they kept a tight grip on the media and went about thier business cause boy o boy do the media love such "masala!!!" & our media is like a old women that we have in every village in pakistan,she knows everything and she tells everyone!!!

want to advertise something? tell her and viola !!! in a day everyone in the village knows and with added lines as well!!! media is more into covering the dead than alive cause that brings more "viewership" and more commercial ads. business baby business !!!!

zia was used by the west cause bhutto and shah fahad had thier agenda in motion so both were taken out using (zia and fahad's nephew) & then zia had it worst.

I was reading the other day that bin ladin's "fresh" tape has emerged and he talked about changing regime in somalia!!!Mr. ladin, after 9/11, yanks (not all of them) have gone dumb but rest of the world has gone smarter !!! how ironic he talkes about somalia govt. only & nothing about what's going on in swat and afghanistan? camon guys get real ... these tapes are no better than those made by some retard showing his house on youtube like he's on "mtv cribs"

want to get rid of taliban? make sure you catch hamid gul in a very very good mood,he may give you some good tips & tricks !! the man is a genius !!

A very confused person indeed. A victim of muta'ala e Pakistan?

First he says,

-Pakistan was created in the name of religion so people could lead their lives according to the principles of Islam.

-I forgot to mention that the complete name of Pakistan is “Islamic Republic of Pakistan�. A country made in the name of Islam after so much bloodshed.

-We divided the sub continent to practice an Islamic code of life.

and then,

-We need a secular Pakistan where our own culture, morals and values breeds,

Two pathetic articles in a row on the front page...You can't beat that...The writer just got out of high school and must have flunked Pakistan Studies for whatever Pakistan Studies was worth.

Someone should tell him that Zia came by the end of 70s. During 70s we were ruled by self proclaimed "whiskey liberals" such as Yahya Khan and Bhutto.

Chowk Editors: I am beginning to see what masadi has been shouting for so long.

He must be one of those who thing Musharraf was panacea for Pakistan....such blithering english speaking idiots this country produces

& I made a mistake, reference is shah faisal, not fahad.

Opera of the confused:

For years we have questioned the u-turn that Musharraf took in the wake of 911. Instead of responding to Mr. Powell right away he could have said that I have to consult the parliament and have a debate there so that a considered decision by the leadership and the nation could have been made, rather then a knee jerk reaction to a looming threat. But it seems that we do not know any other form of decision making. Just like the author claims one day the whole country rails against drone attacks the next Taliban have to be eliminated. Do we ever think things through?

Mr. Aneel’s article suffers from the same lack of analysis. It was surprising for me that in his last para he ended up recommending a secular Pakistan for which he had not made any case in the body of his article. Up till this paragraph he had made a reasonable case for the Taliban in terms of their demands to implement shariat, the futility of fighting with them on the battlefield and the inefficacy of relying on the Americans after their abysmal record in Afghanistan and Iraq.

This decision making process where one day you are hundred percent committed to one side and then going a 180 degrees opposite next we can see happening in the whole of Pakistan. Please, for God’s sake can you just think things through and explain to every one why you were doing what you were doing a month ago and what changed that has made you change your course so radically in such a short period of time. Without this all you do is create chaos and confusion because nobody knows why they are doing anything.

Re: # 13TehsinA..Well Said...the problem is Pakistani elite don't care,Mush was just another power hungry general,Pakistani leaders have no self respect,look at Zardari in yesterdays Pak newspapers,he had a press conference with one low level state dept person, Pakistani elite is not only corrupt but also lacks education and they never cared about spreading education aggressively.What is the qualification and experience of important cabinet members, assembly members etc?Islam is not a problem,the problem is misuse of religion in the country by mullhas,elite , feudal politicians and bourgeious in Pakistan.
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"America is not - and never will be - at war with Islam," declared Barak Hussein Obama in a speech billed as his administration's attempt to mend fences with the Muslim world.

In the last few days and weeks leading up to the speech in Cairo today, President Obama has spoken proudly of American Muslims, even talked about his heritage as the son of a Muslim man.

Obama's openness about his own Muslim heritage comes as a pleasant surprise to Muslims, especially after his presidential campaign last year went to great lengths to keep him away from Muslims, including an incident where a hijab-wearing American Muslim woman was denied a spot on the stage at an Obama rally, but the president showed long ago that he is comfortable talking about his roots, which are addressed in his two biographical books, "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope."

Now, Obama appears to be citing those roots to mend fences with the Islamic world, and persuade elements of Islamic society to rise up and join with the United States against al Qaeda.

He referred to his childhood in Indonesia in an interview with the BBC ahead of his trip. Adviser Denis McDonough did the same on Friday.

Speaking about America's strategy in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Obama said, "We also know that military power alone is not going to solve the problems in Afghanistan and Pakistan. That is why we plan to invest $1.5 billion each year over the next five years to partner with Pakistanis to build schools and hospitals, roads and businesses, and hundreds of millions to help those who have been displaced. And that is why we are providing more than $2.8 billion to help Afghans develop their economy and deliver services that people depend upon."

On Arab-Israeli conflict, Obama asserted, "For decades, there has been a stalemate: two peoples with legitimate aspirations, each with a painful history that makes compromise elusive. It is easy to point fingers - for Palestinians to point to the displacement brought by Israel's founding, and for Israelis to point to the constant hostility and attacks throughout its history from within its borders as well as beyond. But if we see this conflict only from one side or the other, then we will be blind to the truth: the only resolution is for the aspirations of both sides to be met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security."


He opened with greetings of gratitude and peace -- "Shukran" and “As-Salaam-Alaikum."

Please read the full-text of the Obama speech at http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/06/obama-speaks-to-muslim-world.html
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Obama is a brave president. I hope he will open a new chapter with the Islamic world and Arab nations in particular.The part of Obama's speech regarding the Palestinian issue is an important step under new beginnings.He was very generous in his comments about Islam's contributions to civilization. There also hasn't really been any other Western leader who has expressed such commitment to fighting negative stereotypes regarding Muslims.It's one of the most important speeches ever delivered, a key speech for changing the climate in the Middle East. Israel will make a big mistake if it ignores it and doesn't use it to generate a new dialogue with the Muslim world.
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