It's Yet Another Pakistani Nuclear Anniversary Today

dude: good. lets draw upon the high moral standards of indians and talk about the election of proclaimed criminal modi.

Re: # 341
For the defecation specialist from Pakistan, here is report on how the Pakistanis do it:
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But in rural Pakistan open defecation is hardly a laughing matter.

Although modern toilets are plentiful across urban parts of Pakistan, basic latrines are less common in rural areas where about 65 percent of the country’s 165 million inhabitants live.

This in turn will impede the country’s UN Millennium Development Goal of reducing by half the proportion of people without access to basic sanitation by 2015.

Close to 80 percent of households in Battian Union Council - where Kamra is located - have no access to functioning latrines, which means adults and children alike have no option but to defecate in the open.

Of Battian’s nearly 10,000 inhabitants, only one in four has access to a toilet that works: Ending defecation in the open will need more than just building toilets - building awareness will also be key.

One local non-governmental organisation (NGO) spearheading that campaign is Pakistan’s Rural Support Programmes Network (RSPN), based in Islamabad.

Since June 2007, the UK-funded RSPN programme has been working in three rural union councils in Pakistan, including Battian in Punjab Province, Samaro in Sindh, as well as Danyore in Pakistan’s Federally Administered Northern Areas.

“The object of this programme is to declare a village open defecation-free by bringing about behaviourial change through mobilisation,� Enayat Ur Rehman, RSPN’s programme officer – health, told IRIN.

Old habits die hard

But changing habits does not come easy.

Earlier efforts by groups to build latrines in the area failed largely because they did not include local residents in the building process, but also because they failed to point out to people the many health and financial benefits latrines can bring.

As a result, residents could not maintain the latrines or simply did not really understand their value - a fact RSPN was quick to pick up on.

Shame, shock and disgust

Photo: David Swanson/IRIN
Until recently, Mohammad Ahmad Nafees defecated in the field behind his house

Part of RSPN’s campaign to raise awareness is to develop a sense of shame, shock and disgust among local residents regarding their current toilet practices - in an effort to get communities themselves to understand the latrines’ true importance and the solution.

Facilitated by social mobilisers from the community, residents visit those areas commonly used for defecation purposes in their village.

Once there, they are then asked to calculate approximately how much human excrement they might produce on a daily basis - an embarrassing, but revealing moment for all.

Assuming World Health Organization estimates that the average person can produce as much as 1.5 kilos of faeces and urine per day, Kamra’s residents produce close to 3,000 kilos of waste daily or upwards of 20,000 kilos a week - all out in the open.

“Many of them had no idea how big a problem it really was - or the health implications,� Ur Rehman said.

But with piles of excrement in Kamra’s surrounding fields, the risk that germs could be brought back into their homes and find their way into their food, either on their shoes, or through other sources, including livestock or local springs from which residents drink, was soon understood.
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The complete report which is datelined Kamra 03 June 2009 can be read on the IRIN website

The message is clear: Pakstanis outshit Indians any time

There's no point talking about Hafeez or any other terrorist on this forum.

Pakistan is bankrupt ethically and financially to its core.
No self respecting country would have anything to do with it.

okla #353: Let us for once catch the Pakistan government when it is doing something right - in a few short weeks, our military has turned the taliban from "unbeatable warriors" whom even Britain when it was a world power could not beat (as rogue generals like hamid gul never tired of reminding us) in the 19th century, nor the world superpower soviet union in the 20th, into a bunch of ninnies shaving off their beards and getting caught trying to escape in burqas and high heels. secondly, their bluff on "sharia law" as being their motivating force has been called by the civilian government. thirdly, their moral pedestal of "moral piety" has been pulled from under them thanks to the media and modern technology.

so it is not business as it has been for these former "custodians of islam" that it had been under musharraf. i am not saying we have won the war - but there has been a sea change in the attitude of pakistan and pakistanis towards the taliban.

pew_research: saeed was arrested on charges of involvement in the mumbai attack. there has been no evidence made public by the indian government on this account, so the judge ordered him released. your point that he was once the head of a terrorist organization goes outside this particular case.

So, like i said earlier to khyber and others - i am not saying dont do anything about saeed. what i am saying is dont use a flyswatter to drive a nail and a hammer to kill a fly. dont expect the judicial system to solve political problems.

Pew_Research #342, #346, #350

Understand that prophet32's positions are driven solely by his perceived interests, not any adherence to lofty principles of justice and rule of law that he pretends to espouse. This worthy engages in raucous cheerleading when 'mullah-dogs' are hunted down from helicopter gunships in Swat. He will describe the mullah-dawgs of Swat as Arbi-Afghan enemies of Pakistan, not as Pakistani citizens entitled to due process of law. And in general he is never short on vile abuse for 'bearded scoundrels'.

Yet when it comes to an obese Punjabi mullah who has in full public view and for more than a decade been the point man for the JuD/LeT and its terrorism in India, he gets all legalistic. He doesn't want to admit the clear likelihood that Saeed has been hand-in-glove with the Pakistani establishment throughout this period - including when he was incarcerated. Saeed's targets are Indians and therefore his activities were really quite kosher. In fact he is doing Allah's work by advancing the interests of the Pakistani elite - UN etc be damned. With any luck Prophet sahib may soon start talking habeas corpus and pontificating about Rule of Law.

MatloobZaman,

Do you think people like Riaz will stop if suddenly tomorrow poverty and hunger is eliminated in India?
He is so blinded by hatred, he will find something
else to continue what he is doing.

Re: # 355
It's Indian's responsibility to stop bragging and boasting here and there and eradicate their poverty.
No one feels happy to humiliate malnourished humans.

Re: # 341
What else can one expect when "most" of the Indians even the ones abroad making lots of Dirhams, Dinars, Dollars, Riyals and Pounds still live on watered-down daal eventually they will be malnourished, bent up and out of shape.
If you recall the tanks they left behind when fleeing from the front those were found with daal meal of bhagoray faujis.

# 353

I am afraid that advice is like a water on a ducks wings.
Riaz is blinded by the hatred of Hindu Indians, he
will keep parroting these statistics without any
interest in alleviation of that poverty.

Pew# various:

Why do Indians expect Pakistanis to prosecute someone who serves their strategic interests? Pakistan arrested Sayeed under pressure and was never expected to do a serious job of prosecution, as is shown by the following put on by GT on UP (thanks, GT)

.... During Hafiz bhai's hearing yesterday:

""During the proceedings, petitioners’ counsel AK Dogar had claimed the .... members of the JD are GOOD MUSLIMS who follow the example of the holy Prophet (peace be upon him), he said, claiming it was part of a Western conspiracy to defame Islam. ..... Dogar submitted that the victims of the Marriott Hotel blast in Islamabad were BAD MUSLIMS who drank champagne. Defending the government, Deputy Attorney General Naveed Inayat Malik said Dogar’s arguments collapsed under Article 10(3) of the constitution, which contended it was not necessary to show grounds for detention in the case of preventative detention."

So, it is not even a case of the govt. not having any evidence, it said it did not need to produce any. Its all daramagiri by Pakistanis and Gandhigiri by the Indians.


[sorry if my comment is out of place. I am not following this board]

Dear Riaz, Tahmed et al,

Your patriotic utterances sound quite hollow in view of saddening facts that continue to be reported in our newspapers everyday.

Do you know that Jaziya has been imposed on Sikhs in Khyber? What is our government/judiciary going to do about it? Does this happen anywhere else in the world? I may be happy with my close group of students and teachers where merit is the only yardstick but perhaps the rest of the country is different? When faced by scenarios like this, most of us can continue to be in a state of denial and brush aside this whole jaziya business as a minor aberration. But is that not exactly what our friends from across the border do ?

Also, when Police/ ISI offices are attacked/demolished by the Taliban with impunity, and we let off Sayeed, would this not greatly encourage the Taliban? Would they not increase the frequency/ severity of their attacks aimed at destroying the country?

And good friend Riaz would continue to quote statistics on hunger...trying to prove something.

Time to get the perspective right, bros.

#351 Anil, I see you are playing your usual dimwit role of a jamadar by following me around and by repeating questions someone else asked- how many wars that destroyed entire nations have I declared, compared to those swines mentioned in #347?

TNITC masadi

Re: # 349

Masadi:

Who let you out?

Re: # 346 Tahmed

Below is the official proscribed status of Sayeed's organization (Laskhar-e-Toiba):

It was included in the Terrorist Exclusion List by the US Government on December 5, 2001. The US administration designated the Lashkar-e-Toiba as a FTO (Foreign Terrorist Organization) on December 26, 2001. It is also a banned organization in Britain since March 30, 2001.

The group was proscribed by the United Nations in May 2005.

The military regime of Gen. Pervez Musharraf banned the Lashkar-e-Toiba in Pakistan on January 12, 2002.

WHO LET THOSE DOGS OUT ?