It's Yet Another Pakistani Nuclear Anniversary Today

Who set free those sobs? Please explain this to me in your usual BS manner....

Thanks.

TNITC masadi

Excuse me while I distract from the BS going on on this thread: Please answer the following question with your collective "peon" wisdom:

Why is George Bush, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfo-twitz, and the rest of their thuggish gang of mega terrorists running around in Armani suits and SUVs free and making big statements on TV and what not? Who let these dogs out?

TNITC masadi

Re: # 344 Tahmed

The man (Sayeed) is the chief of an international terrorist organization (as declared by the US, UK, EU, UN and, of course, India) and the Pakistani prosecutor could not bring enough evidence to bring him to trial? That, is the point. The circumstantial evidence alone is enough for an indictment, but the prosecutors could not (or, rather, did not) provide the evidence AND they won't hand the man over to India for a trial either.

As regards 'asking India for evidence', I hope that you will agree that if they needed evidence, they would find it right under their noses and need not depend on India for it. Whenever such evidence has been turned over, but there have been longstanding questions on the Pakistan military's interest in successfully pursuing this prosecution. They simply have no interest. Otherwise, why arrest the man repeatedly and release him?

Re: # 343

"Remember, there is overwhelming evidence (including videotapes and eyewitnesses) against the butchers of Muslims in Gujarat, including Modi, but there have been no convictions of any note."

There was enough of evidence against Paki momeens killing Bangldeshi momeens in 1971.

Did any Paki Alumini associatin President take note of that??

There are so many coups in Pakistan and so many time the army raped the constitution. Did any Alumini association member take note of that??

Did any Paki dare to speak and accuse any other Paki Jehadi handlers and madarassa financers like the Paki Alumini Association??

#342 you are merely repeating what dude was saying earlier. and my response is the same as to him - where is the evidence against him? if the indian government has the evidence and has relayed it to the pakistan government and the pakistan govt did not bring it to court - then why is the indian govt not going public with the evidence?

i realize this is setting the bar quite high - actually calling for evidence before convicting a man.

Re: # 334
I think you should read the charges against him to decide how easy or tough it's going to be in an independent court of law to prove...especially if the confession extracted by torture (and without the presence of an attorney) is thrown out.

It'll be just as much a trial of Indian judicial system as that of Kassab.

Remember, there is overwhelming evidence (including videotapes and eyewitnesses) against the butchers of Muslims in Gujarat, including Modi, but there have been no convictions of any note. The victims are still afraid and they continue to languish in refugee camps, while the mass murderers stay in office, and continue to get elected.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 335 Tahmed

The affront is not to the Pakistani judiciary, but to the government prosecutor who could not produce evidence to bring Saeed to trial. The govt. prosecutor is probably a civilian beholden to the powerful military clique and ISI handlers, and dependent upon them to produce evidence. It is well known that the LeT and JuD are ISI creations, and they would not want Saeed put to trial. Ever wonder what happened to the JuD chief who has 'disappeared' from Pakistani custody after JuD was declared to be a 'terrorist organization by the UN'? Where is he?

This 'catch and release' model has been repeated several times in the past. All it does is reinforce lack of seriousness to put these guys to trial and seeking cover from the courts (i.e. 'they let him off').

Here's more to put you Indian chest-beaters to shame:

Over 60 percent of Indian children are wasted, stunted, underweight or a combination of the above. As a result, India ranks number 62 along with Bangladesh at 67 in the PHI (Poverty Hunger Index)ranking out of a total of 81 countries. Both nations are included among the low performing countries in progress towards MDG1 (Millennium Development Goals) with countries such as Nepal (number 58), Ethiopia (number 60), or Zimbabwe (number 74).

Pakistan ranks well ahead of India at 45 and it is included in the medium performing countries. PHI is a new composite indicator – the Poverty and Hunger Index (PHI) – developed to measure countries’ performance towards achieving MDG1 on halving poverty and hunger by 2015. The PHI combines all five official MDG1 indicators, including a) the proportion of population living on less than US$ 1/day, b) poverty gap ratio, c) share of the poorest quintile in national income or consumption, d) prevalence of underweight in children under five years of age, and d) the proportion of population undernourished.

Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 329
I know you don't want to hear the reality of "Shining India". It's being built by taking bread away from the poorest of the poor in India.

Here's the connection between military and poverty (guns vs bread) as pointed out in the UNICEF report:

Unicef was also critical of high military budgets in the region at the cost of social protection. India is modernizing its armed forces and projecting its power more widely than in the past.

“A number of countries in south Asia decide to invest in the military and not to increase investment in their people.� said Daniel Toole, Unicef’s regional director “Budgetary allocations can be more than 10 per cent in the military, while education is only 2 per cent.�
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 306..I agree with your post #303:, I know what you are saying,I was just expressing my views and concerns about these mullahs and so called politicians of religious parties.
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/

Khyber: I am not contesting that these mullahs are a scourge on Pakistan and (thanks to years of support from military dictators with their past policy of arming them to fight "proxy wars") all humnanity. I am simply calling for the use of the right tools - you dont swat a fly with a sledgehammer, and you dont drive a nail with a flyswatter.

Thus, the right tool against hafiz saeed isnt legal. It is political (backed with military action if needed). That is, if he is running religious schools where he is promoting violence ("jihad-fi-sabilillah") or otherwise passng mullah propaganda in the name of "Islam", then the first step is to pass proper legislation targetted against such against inciting violence (as UK did last year I think). Otherwise, in solving one problem (putting an end to his mischief) we are creating a bigger one (compromised judicial system).

tahmed32....The government has decided to file an appeal against the release order of Hafiz Saeed,these mullahs belong in cage,they are obstacle in development of Pakistan.These mullahs have a long history of their negative mentality and narrow mindedness,they called SIR SYED AHMAED KHAN,KAFFIR'' , cause Sir Syed asked Muslims of India TO LEARN ENGLISH,THEY ALSO LABELED allama iqbal AND OTHER GREAT LEADERS OF Pakistan's FREEDOM AS KAFIR.What Pakistani elite needs to do is educate people,spread education aggressively so we can get rid of mullahs in Pakistan.
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/

Re: # 312

dude days: "The real drama will play out in the International media and Pakistan and Pakistanis worldwide will be put to shame (as usual)."

What a shame...being unable to prove your case appropriately, you wish the drama to be played out in international media because nothing can be proved in a regular open court of law beyond a reasonable element of doubt...is that how court cases are decided in India?

dude: i tried that second link you provided - doesnt work. And you didnt mention any specific fact to back your statement that the Pakistan government held back evidence implicating mullah saeed to the crime. I was in fact surprised to hear Chidambaram and other senior Indian officials in making such irresponsible statements concerning the freeing of mullah saeed. Pakistanis have worked hard to get an independent judiciary - and the Indian ministers should respect it if they are serious about wanting an end to cross-border terrorism (which is just a symptom of the disease of dictatorship that Pakistanis have fought against).

#311 riaz sahib: I think Kasab the butcher was almost literally caught red-handed - we have all seen his picture, gun in hand. So, regardless of what this scoundrel claims, I think the facts are there.

Conspiracy cases I agree are hard to prove under anglo-saxon law (which is basically the only legal system worth talking about - the "sharia" law is basically bakwas introduced by dictators and their mullah henchmen for their own purposes).

Re: # 320 MatloobZaman: "InshaAllah we will prevail by the will and support of Allah, Allah O Akbar".

I fully agree with you and pray to the God/Allah/Bhagwan etc. that you prevail upon the Talibans and all the terrorists killing the innocent citizens in Pakistan and India.