Pervez Hoodbhoy May 29, 2009
#332 Posted by SPY on June 2, 2009 11:11:45 pm
Re: # 313 Riaz: "It didn't work in 2002. It will not work now".
So what do you propose India should do to tackle such misadventures from Pak citizens/government/state/non-state actors etc.
So what do you propose India should do to tackle such misadventures from Pak citizens/government/state/non-state actors etc.
#331 Posted by SPY on June 2, 2009 10:40:09 pm
Re: # 325 Riaz: "PHI index values for India, Pak etc..."
I would be more interested how Pak with an empty bowl to the IMF, can still achieve this while India with double the wheat and rice stock lying in its storage is unable to do it.
http://in.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idINBMB00499820090409
I would be more interested how Pak with an empty bowl to the IMF, can still achieve this while India with double the wheat and rice stock lying in its storage is unable to do it.
http://in.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idINBMB00499820090409
#330 Posted by muqaddam on June 2, 2009 10:26:42 pm
Re: # 300
India has never tried to hide its poverty , on the other hand lifting millions above the povert line has been a challenge for successive governments. Recent statistics show that India has done a commendable job in this area.
On the other hand you would have us believe that there is no poverty in Pakistan and it is a land of milk and honey.
The UNICEF report is just an eyeopener for presumptuous people like yourself.
Of course, you may continue to delude yourself.
India has never tried to hide its poverty , on the other hand lifting millions above the povert line has been a challenge for successive governments. Recent statistics show that India has done a commendable job in this area.
On the other hand you would have us believe that there is no poverty in Pakistan and it is a land of milk and honey.
The UNICEF report is just an eyeopener for presumptuous people like yourself.
Of course, you may continue to delude yourself.
#329 Posted by SPY on June 2, 2009 9:56:06 pm
Re: # 327 harish_hyd: "Riaz Mian ....Are you so ashamed of your military that you have to divert the topic?"
Perfectly said...this man is always jumping topics to suit himself, without regard / relevance to the topic in discussion.
Regardless where you start and what topic you start, he would always end with Pak having better indicators and India having negative indicators. Once he reaches there no further responses on that thread. If you still persist and grill/corner him any further, he would again go back to the first statement (i.e. change topic) and start all over again.
Keep playing this circular, catching game with him and enjoy....
Perfectly said...this man is always jumping topics to suit himself, without regard / relevance to the topic in discussion.
Regardless where you start and what topic you start, he would always end with Pak having better indicators and India having negative indicators. Once he reaches there no further responses on that thread. If you still persist and grill/corner him any further, he would again go back to the first statement (i.e. change topic) and start all over again.
Keep playing this circular, catching game with him and enjoy....
#328 Posted by Miramax on June 2, 2009 9:37:41 pm
(Laddus of the world will call upon India to "do a Gaza" or "do a Lebanon" in Pakistan. It's called Israel envy that I have described in my ilog.)
Hmm...Just because you coined a term "Israel Envy" it doesnt make it a reality. Probably Israel is also having a "India envy" syndrome...whereby we have been able to inflict and pay you back in same coin thru our numerous consulates in Afghanistan. And Mashallah..they performed so well..."No evidence", " No proof", "No international Sympathies" for you...and situation turned on its head within 3 years. To top it all...we did not fire a single missile, single mortar, single bullet and did not even need to invade you. Its all happening in auto mode...and see insurgency in kashmir is down to pre-1989 levels. Probably Israel wants to emulate this model but cannot.
Hmm...Just because you coined a term "Israel Envy" it doesnt make it a reality. Probably Israel is also having a "India envy" syndrome...whereby we have been able to inflict and pay you back in same coin thru our numerous consulates in Afghanistan. And Mashallah..they performed so well..."No evidence", " No proof", "No international Sympathies" for you...and situation turned on its head within 3 years. To top it all...we did not fire a single missile, single mortar, single bullet and did not even need to invade you. Its all happening in auto mode...and see insurgency in kashmir is down to pre-1989 levels. Probably Israel wants to emulate this model but cannot.
#327 Posted by harish_hyd on June 2, 2009 9:18:36 pm
Besides Riaz mian, I talk about the militaries of the two countries and you talk about poverty and starvation. What gives? Are you so ashamed of your military that you have to divert the topic?
#326 Posted by harish_hyd on June 2, 2009 9:15:03 pm
#325 by RiazHaq
Blah! Blah! Blah! Riaz mian, your numbers have been discredited here so many times by so many people, that if I were you, I would simply put my tail between my legs and slink away. But you shamelessly continue to regurgitate the same old propaganda that Pakistan is better than India. You know, a couple of months ago, your country had enough money to cover just two weeks of imports. Besides, despite America pouring in billions of dollars every year, your country is constantly out with a begging bowl urging donors to be "generous". If this is what you call "being ahead of and better than India", be my guest. But you fool no one, not even your own compatriots, and instead embarrass them.
Blah! Blah! Blah! Riaz mian, your numbers have been discredited here so many times by so many people, that if I were you, I would simply put my tail between my legs and slink away. But you shamelessly continue to regurgitate the same old propaganda that Pakistan is better than India. You know, a couple of months ago, your country had enough money to cover just two weeks of imports. Besides, despite America pouring in billions of dollars every year, your country is constantly out with a begging bowl urging donors to be "generous". If this is what you call "being ahead of and better than India", be my guest. But you fool no one, not even your own compatriots, and instead embarrass them.
#325 Posted by RiazHaq on June 2, 2009 8:21:42 pm
Re: # 323
Instead of saber rattling with Pakistan, please take care of your starving children first.
India ranks number 62 along with Bangladesh at 67 in the PHI (Poverty Hunger Index)ranking out of a total of 81 countries. Both nations are included among the low performing countries in progress towards MDG1 with countries such as Nepal (number 58), Ethiopia (number 60), or Zimbabwe (number 74).
Pakistan ranks well ahead of India at 45 and it is included in the medium performing countries. PHI is a new composite indicator – the Poverty and Hunger Index (PHI) – developed to measure countries’ performance towards achieving MDG1 on halving poverty and hunger by 2015. The PHI combines all five official MDG1 indicators, including a) the proportion of population living on less than US$ 1/day, b) poverty gap ratio, c) share of the poorest quintile in national income or consumption, d) prevalence of underweight in children under five years of age, and d) the proportion of population undernourished.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
Instead of saber rattling with Pakistan, please take care of your starving children first.
India ranks number 62 along with Bangladesh at 67 in the PHI (Poverty Hunger Index)ranking out of a total of 81 countries. Both nations are included among the low performing countries in progress towards MDG1 with countries such as Nepal (number 58), Ethiopia (number 60), or Zimbabwe (number 74).
Pakistan ranks well ahead of India at 45 and it is included in the medium performing countries. PHI is a new composite indicator – the Poverty and Hunger Index (PHI) – developed to measure countries’ performance towards achieving MDG1 on halving poverty and hunger by 2015. The PHI combines all five official MDG1 indicators, including a) the proportion of population living on less than US$ 1/day, b) poverty gap ratio, c) share of the poorest quintile in national income or consumption, d) prevalence of underweight in children under five years of age, and d) the proportion of population undernourished.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#324 Posted by echoboom on June 2, 2009 8:13:07 pm
O young-turk Pakistanis
of every stripe & spot
its nice to see you laser
here, every qashqua & dot
Do not foment illusions
that ``we two are alike``
by those happy to tell you
``you all can take a hike``
Her Post-Partum depression
is Mother India's curse
and add to that her PMS
How can she feed & nurse?
She's now poor and widowed
gets all hindu benefits
the param-pra treats her
As wandering cow that shits
her slumdog children get her
the prestige she deserves
her burning-brides light the
flame of fortune she preserves
of every stripe & spot
its nice to see you laser
here, every qashqua & dot
Do not foment illusions
that ``we two are alike``
by those happy to tell you
``you all can take a hike``
Her Post-Partum depression
is Mother India's curse
and add to that her PMS
How can she feed & nurse?
She's now poor and widowed
gets all hindu benefits
the param-pra treats her
As wandering cow that shits
her slumdog children get her
the prestige she deserves
her burning-brides light the
flame of fortune she preserves
#323 Posted by harish_hyd on June 2, 2009 7:05:34 pm
#319 by MatloobZaman
....what has India produced their weapons for? to place in some dewal and worship?
There were enough monkeys, cows, donkeys and snakes to worship, why did India introduce another devta nuke?
Matloob bhai, these weapons are meant to bust Paki a$$es, like the Bofors guns did during the Kargil war, when most of your jawans reached Jannat without even knowing what hit them, and the rest starved to death, insufficient rations forcing them to eat grass to quench their hunger. OTOH all those shiny F-16s did the vanishing act when Pakistan required it most, to provide support to its helpless men caught between the weather, Indian troops, missiles, and hunger.
....what has India produced their weapons for? to place in some dewal and worship?
There were enough monkeys, cows, donkeys and snakes to worship, why did India introduce another devta nuke?
Matloob bhai, these weapons are meant to bust Paki a$$es, like the Bofors guns did during the Kargil war, when most of your jawans reached Jannat without even knowing what hit them, and the rest starved to death, insufficient rations forcing them to eat grass to quench their hunger. OTOH all those shiny F-16s did the vanishing act when Pakistan required it most, to provide support to its helpless men caught between the weather, Indian troops, missiles, and hunger.
#322 Posted by laddu on June 2, 2009 7:04:19 pm
Re: # 320
"InshaAllah we will prevail by the will and support of Allah, Allah O Akbar. "
Your supremacist chant would not be able to get over your evil karmas.
You are going to suffer because of your own evil and vilolent deeds- even your Mohammad would be suffering his deeds reserved for him.
"InshaAllah we will prevail by the will and support of Allah, Allah O Akbar. "
Your supremacist chant would not be able to get over your evil karmas.
You are going to suffer because of your own evil and vilolent deeds- even your Mohammad would be suffering his deeds reserved for him.
#321 Posted by harish_hyd on June 2, 2009 7:00:43 pm
#313 by RiazHaq
But what you are proposing is the failed strategy of "coercive diplomacy" again. It didn't work in 2002. It will not work now.
Really? It was Indian diplomacy that forced Pakistan to admit that its nationals were involved in the Mumbai attack. It was diplomacy again that forced Pakistan to arrest (however shambolic and superficial it was) the masterminds Zarrar Shah (sp?) and some others for the same. Pakistan thinks now that the heat has died down, it can set these fellows free, but don't worry, the country's reputation has already gone a notch down both internationally (by realizing what India has been trying to hammer into their heads for almost 2 decades now) and domestically (by bowing down to Indian pressure, the worst crime a Paki govt can ever commit).
But what you are proposing is the failed strategy of "coercive diplomacy" again. It didn't work in 2002. It will not work now.
Really? It was Indian diplomacy that forced Pakistan to admit that its nationals were involved in the Mumbai attack. It was diplomacy again that forced Pakistan to arrest (however shambolic and superficial it was) the masterminds Zarrar Shah (sp?) and some others for the same. Pakistan thinks now that the heat has died down, it can set these fellows free, but don't worry, the country's reputation has already gone a notch down both internationally (by realizing what India has been trying to hammer into their heads for almost 2 decades now) and domestically (by bowing down to Indian pressure, the worst crime a Paki govt can ever commit).
#320 Posted by MatloobZaman on June 2, 2009 6:40:56 pm
InshaAllah we will prevail by the will and support of Allah, Allah O Akbar.
#319 Posted by MatloobZaman on June 2, 2009 6:40:05 pm
Re: # 318
And so these will be used when the time comes, what has India produced their weapons for? to place in some dewal and worship?
There were enough monkeys, cows, donkeys and snakes to worship, why did India introduce another devta nuke?
And so these will be used when the time comes, what has India produced their weapons for? to place in some dewal and worship?
There were enough monkeys, cows, donkeys and snakes to worship, why did India introduce another devta nuke?
#318 Posted by laddu on June 2, 2009 6:27:00 pm
Maulana Riaz ul Haq saheb,
Islami nukes were the result of cult of hate and revenge that your ilks follow.
Islami nukes are aimed at India to avenge 1971 defeat.
Your current Jehad is to avenge 1971.
This time we are going to finish off your pan Islamist forces for sure again!!
Islami nukes were the result of cult of hate and revenge that your ilks follow.
Islami nukes are aimed at India to avenge 1971 defeat.
Your current Jehad is to avenge 1971.
This time we are going to finish off your pan Islamist forces for sure again!!
#317 Posted by RiazHaq on June 2, 2009 6:09:21 pm
Re: # 315
A media trial is not going to work. Judges do not look favorably upon trials conducted through media.
Your best bet is to prove the conspiracy charge against Kasab beyond a reasonable doubt in your own courts in a public trial. Any evidence that comes out of such a trial and conviction can probably be used in a Pakistani court to try any co-conspirators on the Pakistani side.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
A media trial is not going to work. Judges do not look favorably upon trials conducted through media.
Your best bet is to prove the conspiracy charge against Kasab beyond a reasonable doubt in your own courts in a public trial. Any evidence that comes out of such a trial and conviction can probably be used in a Pakistani court to try any co-conspirators on the Pakistani side.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
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