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#316 Posted by dude40000 on June 2, 2009 6:09:20 pm
Re: # 313
It will work very well. As soon as the Taliban get free space in Swat to behead more heads - some people will notice.
It will work very well. As soon as the Taliban get free space in Swat to behead more heads - some people will notice.
#315 Posted by dude40000 on June 2, 2009 6:03:28 pm
Re: # 313
It hasn't backfired at all. In last 6 years - the entire world perception about Pakistan has undergone a big downward spiral - and this decision will further help it take down the drain.
It will be your turn to squirm (as usual).
It hasn't backfired at all. In last 6 years - the entire world perception about Pakistan has undergone a big downward spiral - and this decision will further help it take down the drain.
It will be your turn to squirm (as usual).
#314 Posted by RiazHaq on June 2, 2009 6:02:31 pm
Re: # 312
Laddus of the world will call upon India to "do a Gaza" or "do a Lebanon" in Pakistan. It's called Israel envy that I have described in my ilog.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
Laddus of the world will call upon India to "do a Gaza" or "do a Lebanon" in Pakistan. It's called Israel envy that I have described in my ilog.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#313 Posted by RiazHaq on June 2, 2009 6:00:13 pm
Re: # 312
You can squirm as much as you want. But what you are proposing is the failed strategy of "coercive diplomacy" again. It didn't work in 2002. It will not work now.
In fact, it will backfire badly.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
You can squirm as much as you want. But what you are proposing is the failed strategy of "coercive diplomacy" again. It didn't work in 2002. It will not work now.
In fact, it will backfire badly.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#312 Posted by dude40000 on June 2, 2009 5:56:42 pm
Re: # 311
Riaz - The real drama will play out in the International media and Pakistan and Pakistanis worldwide will be put to shame (as usual).
I for one will fully support the diplomatic offensive and putting more troops on the border to put pressure.
And I am a liberal - you haven't yet seen what laddus of the world will want the govt. to do. I am sure laddu will want us to cut off your water.
Riaz - The real drama will play out in the International media and Pakistan and Pakistanis worldwide will be put to shame (as usual).
I for one will fully support the diplomatic offensive and putting more troops on the border to put pressure.
And I am a liberal - you haven't yet seen what laddus of the world will want the govt. to do. I am sure laddu will want us to cut off your water.
#311 Posted by RiazHaq on June 2, 2009 5:53:45 pm
Re: # 306
The real drama is likely to play out in the Mumbai courtroom, where Kasab has already retracted his confession, which he says was extracted by torture.
This is a conspiracy case and, if the normal Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence (due process) rules of evidence apply, it will be very hard to prove. Any evidence presented there will likely also have a bearing in cases againt LeT pending in Pakistani courts.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
The real drama is likely to play out in the Mumbai courtroom, where Kasab has already retracted his confession, which he says was extracted by torture.
This is a conspiracy case and, if the normal Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence (due process) rules of evidence apply, it will be very hard to prove. Any evidence presented there will likely also have a bearing in cases againt LeT pending in Pakistani courts.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#310 Posted by dude40000 on June 2, 2009 5:43:10 pm
Re: # 309
http://ramanstrategicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/06/fresh-oxygen-to-let.ht ml
http://ramanstrategicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/06/fresh-oxygen-to-let.ht ml
#309 Posted by tahmed32 on June 2, 2009 5:39:12 pm
dude: The link doesnt work - but since you have read it, what evidence is there linking Hafiz Saeed to the mumbai attack that you say the Pakistan government is not presenting?
#308 Posted by dude40000 on June 2, 2009 5:34:38 pm
Re: # 306
Tahmed - I think you missed the point. Hafeez was released by the Pak court not because they are independent.
Hafiz was released because the govt instructed its laweyrs to intentionally make a very weak case. And govt. here means ISI/Pak Army. Its just too obvious.
Here's the details behind the release:
http://ramanstrategicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/06/fresh-oxygen-to-l et.html
Tahmed - I think you missed the point. Hafeez was released by the Pak court not because they are independent.
Hafiz was released because the govt instructed its laweyrs to intentionally make a very weak case. And govt. here means ISI/Pak Army. Its just too obvious.
Here's the details behind the release:
http://ramanstrategicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/06/fresh-oxygen-to-l et.html
#307 Posted by dude40000 on June 2, 2009 5:32:04 pm
Re: # 306
Re: LeT chief
India should increase forces on the border with Pakistan. This would definitely put immense pressure on the Pak Army - more so because the very same forces are fighting the Taliban.
That's pretty much the only lever India has with it - especially after the US (foolishly) gave more money to pak as part of the Kerry-Lugar bill.
Re: LeT chief
India should increase forces on the border with Pakistan. This would definitely put immense pressure on the Pak Army - more so because the very same forces are fighting the Taliban.
That's pretty much the only lever India has with it - especially after the US (foolishly) gave more money to pak as part of the Kerry-Lugar bill.
#306 Posted by tahmed32 on June 2, 2009 5:12:22 pm
KHYBER #303: It seems that there was no evidence linking these individuals to the mumbai attacks. I think it is good that the court then did its part by ordering their release - a proper justice system is what separates a civilized nation from these mullah bastards.
There remains the political problem of these mullah rats running lose on the sacred soil of Pakistan - but I think we can be confident that as long as we have democracy and the rule of law, they will remain a fringe element. In any case, political problems should be dealt with politically, not by compromising the nation's judicial system.
There remains the political problem of these mullah rats running lose on the sacred soil of Pakistan - but I think we can be confident that as long as we have democracy and the rule of law, they will remain a fringe element. In any case, political problems should be dealt with politically, not by compromising the nation's judicial system.
#305 Posted by tahmed32 on June 2, 2009 5:12:21 pm
KHYBER #303: It seems that there was no evidence linking these individuals to the mumbai attacks. I think it is good that the court then did its part by ordering their release - a proper justice system is what separates a civilized nation from these mullah bastards.
There remains the political problem of these mullah rats running lose on the sacred soil of Pakistan - but I think we can be confident that as long as we have democracy and the rule of law, they will remain a fringe element. In any case, political problems should be dealt with politically, not by compromising the nation's judicial system.
There remains the political problem of these mullah rats running lose on the sacred soil of Pakistan - but I think we can be confident that as long as we have democracy and the rule of law, they will remain a fringe element. In any case, political problems should be dealt with politically, not by compromising the nation's judicial system.
#304 Posted by RiazHaq on June 2, 2009 5:07:28 pm
Re: # 302
Read my ilog I just published. Look at the sources I have cited there.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
Read my ilog I just published. Look at the sources I have cited there.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
#303 Posted by KHYBER on June 2, 2009 5:00:43 pm
Its really makes no sense that A three-member Full Bench of the Lahore High Court (LHC) on Tuesday ordered the release of Jamaatud Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed and Col (r) Nazir Ahmad,I think its waste of time if they are figitng aginst these thugs in Swat and supreme court is keep releasing thses terrorists and thugs like of lal masjid burqa mullah and now this thug hafiz, its just another victory for the radicals and terrorists . I think Pakistani courts are more afraid of the terrorists than they are of the legitimate government and the military. It's that simple,thats why they love to release these thugs.Terrorist Sayeed should never have been released, obviously. Clerics like Sayeed are the entire problem within Islam and Pakistan today. His release is another victory for the terrorists and a defeat for the civilized people of the world .
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/
http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.com/
#302 Posted by Pew_Research on June 2, 2009 4:51:28 pm
Re: # 300 Riaz
But, but, but....
The point of the BBC report is that Pakistan is doing worse!
But, but, but....
The point of the BBC report is that Pakistan is doing worse!
#301 Posted by RiazHaq on June 2, 2009 2:08:02 pm
Here's more from Financial Times:
UNICEF ATTACKS INDIA's RECORD ON POVERTY:
India has failed to use a period of high economic growth to lift tens of millions of people out of poverty, falling far short of China’s record in protecting its population from the ravages of chronic hunger, United Nations officials said on Tuesday.
Unicef, the UN’s child development agency, said India, Asia’s third largest economy, had not followed the example of other regional economies such as China, South Korea and Singapore in investing in its people during an economic boom. It said this failure spelled trouble as the global economy deteriorated, while volatile fuel and food prices had already deepened deprivation over the past two years.
The stinging criticism of India’s performance comes only two weeks after the Congress party-led alliance was overwhelmingly voted back into office. Its leaders had campaigned strongly on their achievement of raising India’s economic growth to 9 per cent and boosting rural welfare.
An unfavourable comparison with Beijing’s development record will rile New Delhi. Manmohan Singh, India’s prime minister, has argued that the country’s economic development is more durable than that of China because it is forged in a democracy rather than by a one-party state.
In a report on the impact of the global financial crisis on women and children in south Asia, Unicef said that food and fuel price shocks had increased the number of people suffering chronic hunger by 100m to more than 400m people. Of these, 230m are in India, where 76 per cent of the country’s 1.2bn people live on less than $2 a day. Among many households, as much as 80 per cent of income is spent on food, making them highly sensitive to rice and wheat price fluctuations.
Aniruddha Bonnerjee, an economic and social policy consultant for Unicef, said there had been “stagnation� in the fight against malnutrition and that stubbornly high food prices posed a growing threat to poor families. He warned that with India’s growth rates now almost half what they were two years ago, New Delhi would find it more difficult to boost spending on health, education and food to nurture its human capital.
“If there was no progress against malnutrition and hunger when growth was higher, how are you going to do it now?� he asked.
Mr Bonnerjee said some Asian countries had managed to halve poverty over five years during times of high economic growth; India was falling far short of that achievement. Mr Singh’s championing of “inclusive growth� was electioneering and had left large swathes of the population untouched, he said.
Unicef was also critical of high military budgets in the region at the cost of social protection. India is modernising its armed forces and projecting its power more widely than in the past.
“A number of countries in south Asia decide to invest in the military and not to increase investment in their people.� said Daniel Toole, Unicef’s regional director “Budgetary allocations can be more than 10 per cent in the military, while education is only 2 per cent.�
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/48108cf4-4f8d-11de-a692-00144feabdc0.html
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
UNICEF ATTACKS INDIA's RECORD ON POVERTY:
India has failed to use a period of high economic growth to lift tens of millions of people out of poverty, falling far short of China’s record in protecting its population from the ravages of chronic hunger, United Nations officials said on Tuesday.
Unicef, the UN’s child development agency, said India, Asia’s third largest economy, had not followed the example of other regional economies such as China, South Korea and Singapore in investing in its people during an economic boom. It said this failure spelled trouble as the global economy deteriorated, while volatile fuel and food prices had already deepened deprivation over the past two years.
The stinging criticism of India’s performance comes only two weeks after the Congress party-led alliance was overwhelmingly voted back into office. Its leaders had campaigned strongly on their achievement of raising India’s economic growth to 9 per cent and boosting rural welfare.
An unfavourable comparison with Beijing’s development record will rile New Delhi. Manmohan Singh, India’s prime minister, has argued that the country’s economic development is more durable than that of China because it is forged in a democracy rather than by a one-party state.
In a report on the impact of the global financial crisis on women and children in south Asia, Unicef said that food and fuel price shocks had increased the number of people suffering chronic hunger by 100m to more than 400m people. Of these, 230m are in India, where 76 per cent of the country’s 1.2bn people live on less than $2 a day. Among many households, as much as 80 per cent of income is spent on food, making them highly sensitive to rice and wheat price fluctuations.
Aniruddha Bonnerjee, an economic and social policy consultant for Unicef, said there had been “stagnation� in the fight against malnutrition and that stubbornly high food prices posed a growing threat to poor families. He warned that with India’s growth rates now almost half what they were two years ago, New Delhi would find it more difficult to boost spending on health, education and food to nurture its human capital.
“If there was no progress against malnutrition and hunger when growth was higher, how are you going to do it now?� he asked.
Mr Bonnerjee said some Asian countries had managed to halve poverty over five years during times of high economic growth; India was falling far short of that achievement. Mr Singh’s championing of “inclusive growth� was electioneering and had left large swathes of the population untouched, he said.
Unicef was also critical of high military budgets in the region at the cost of social protection. India is modernising its armed forces and projecting its power more widely than in the past.
“A number of countries in south Asia decide to invest in the military and not to increase investment in their people.� said Daniel Toole, Unicef’s regional director “Budgetary allocations can be more than 10 per cent in the military, while education is only 2 per cent.�
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/48108cf4-4f8d-11de-a692-00144feabdc0.html
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide
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