Obama's Regional Strategy and India

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tahmed32#89:

"And my original question (why Obama's respectful and conciliatory speech with muslims has caused so much agony to Indians) was raised in response to what you wrote in #58 even if you dont mention it in the article."

Post#58 did not make any reference whatsoever to the Obama speech to muslims, but who am I to prevent you from reading whatever you want to in a post?

I am sorry to say that you have neither understood the article nor its viewpoint. The article just presents the world 'as is' not what it should be. It does not lament the fact that the Obama doesn't see the world the way Indians do, it simply interates the fact. If you go the last para, which summarises my view, you would notice that, far from lamenting, I am suggesting that this should not have much effect on India.

#91 re-iterating the usual indian line makes you feel better about your miserable self. it doesnt change anything i wrote.

re: 90

Again we have a paki who thinks that islam = pakistan. Indians hate Pakistan because of the terrorism emanating from there. Indians do not "hate muslims", and certainly have better relations with the arab and persian worlds than pakis might be deluded into believing. As a matter of fact, Indians don't even give a crap of what goes on in that muslim world at large. They only care about pakistan because of the violent india-tyargeted jihadi infested cesspool it is. Even the afghans hate the pakis and love the indians as opinion poll after poll there shows. So, no, it's only YOU. Don't flatter yourself by extrapolation!

As far as Obama's "change" goes, it is a small change as the article itself points out. Given that the west and pkaistan has been unable to do anything to india when they were in a much stronger position 20-50 years ago, it is laughable that an irritating word or phrase here and there by the new administration will change the ground reality today when India is 10 times stronger and richer. In any case, the real test will be isreal and how the big O manages to rein them in.

dost mittar: I read your article - if I might summarize this you are basically expressing regret at the fact that Obama does not share your (and presumably the majority of indians who think about politics) worldview (india's victimization by cross-border terrorists from pakistan, india's rivalry with china). But..what you are sayin in this article is exactly what I have been saying past 10 years as one indian after another has tried to equate the indian viewpoint with that of the civilized world (with Arjun getting the gold medal for effort by equating drones as "paki-whackers" - even as time has shown that in fact the "paki-whackers" were the ones getting targetted by the drones).

So, perhaps Obama's speech should serve as a good wake up call for Indians - the world does not see Islam or muslims as being an evil the way you do in India. And the whole world does not think that insulting and ridiculing any people (muslims in this case) or religion (Islam in this case) is the mark of the civilized nation that so many Indians presume themselves to be.

And my original question (why Obama's respectful and conciliatory speech with muslims has caused so much agony to Indians) was raised in response to what you wrote in #58 even if you dont mention it in the article.

pmishra#85:

You may be reading too much into what someone said. I read the article which says that there are not too many Indians in Egypt and most of them are temporary residents; so they would have no motivation to build a temple.

Maharana:

Even the negative you mention is not a negative in my opinion. If the Indians are under the illusion that the US or any other power would look after their security interests, the sooner they get rid of that notion, the better it is.

Re: # 86

Something about intellectual.they can dig silver linings like a rabbit off a hat .There was huge thing about including Sonal Shah .Then eveytime Sanjay Gupta for surgeon general or whatever was to be inObama Team all felt there muscle pumping harder .Are you for Obama or Against him?????

Dost,
Good summary of the recent Indo-American turn of events.

Overall I believe it is good for India that we're not a focus of powers like US. It gives us the space to mold and shape our destiny without interference. It also allows us to continue on a path of self reliant econmoic, social, political paths. The only undesirable in this scenario is the inability of India to take care of its own security threats. We seem to be relying just on the US pressure in the region without having to make any efforts of our own. Either way, that scenario should change and India should become a little more self reliant there also.

Adios

#57 dost_mittar

So why isnt there a hindu temple in Egypt? Why do the hindu expats say things like "as long you keep religion private its OK"?

Lets get over this dhimmitude, yaar, you know very well that these annoying hindus always want gazillion temples wherever they go. And its absence in Egypt has meaning for me at least.

Vijay Prashad and Riaz Haq ! Two india-haters together - one a marxist theoretician and other a paki ultra-nationalist.

Its a match made in heaven. Where should I send the wedding announcement to?

Re: # 81

'being alive' and 'doing' something about it are two different animals

correction to #80:

"Mr Raman says in the excerpt that Pakistan sees India through Pakistani eyes" should read "Mr Raman says in the excerpt that Obama sees India through Pakistani eyes"

Pew_Research#79:

The Obama administration is quite alive to the ISI-Taleban nexus. Even now, the administration envoys have not given a clean chit to the Pakistanis on the agencies' link to the taleban. However, they have forced the Pakistani army to move against the insurgents. What happens next is anyone's guess.

tahmed32#75:

This is what happens when you read interacts only and not the article.

Obama has not disappointed me but he has disappointed those Indians who expected him to be tough on Pakistan. Mr Raman says in the excerpt that Pakistan sees India through Pakistani eyes; this is similar to what I said in the article that Obama agrees with those Pakistanis who see a strong link between extremism in Pakistan and Kashmir.

As for the Cairo speech, Indians have applauded the speech. The only sour note that I have seen has come from the prominent Muslim journalist M.J.Akbar and his beef is that he Obama seemed to equate the Arab world with the Muslim world.

Re: # 76 Dost

"...I think that his regional approach makes a lot of sense from the US point of view..."

Ah yes - like the previous approach of not listening to India's several warnings about the cultivation of Taliban by the ISI in the 1990s. The warnings did not hit home until 2001 (pun not intended).