Martyred for Speaking Out Against the Taliban

Re: # 36
Should there be a religious state?

Urstruly (#35), thanks for making your views clear, once again.

Naqsh, your problem is your own brother Urstruly here. Your ullema facilitated the rise of taliban by condoning religious hatred and violence. And now this violence has come full circle to haunt your ullema. You can’t simply disown your past and claim innocence.

Tahir miaN, stop worrying about qadiyyanis. You should first get your own house in order before pushing mirzai conspiracy theories ...

#35 Posted by Urstruly

“to protect the system in Pakistan that feeds on human life, blood, and dignity�

Arey Sahib! You are giving too much credit to Pakistanis for having created this system. The system was created in the latter part of the reign of Khulfa e Rahidun and remains in effect in every Islamic state today. Come on! We could explore further depths of degradation. How about fratricide, when it was declared the LAW in the Ottoman Empire, that the Sultan had the right to kill any relative who may pose a threat to his ability to retain the crown.

Just think about it, what sort of justice would you expect from someone who murdered, his father, mother, brothers, brothers in law, sons, nephews etc. They didn’t even remain loyal to their race most of them were white because their mothers were all white and over the generations they had very little Ottoman blood left in them. These were our heroes who got us Constantinople, and Serbia and would have taken over Vienna, but there is a God who prevented triumph of tyranny, to let hope stay alive, to give us life and human dignity which you in the end opted for yourself. So stop kicking the hand that feeds you and started licking it like the rest of us.

#34 Posted by malikrashid

This article you referred to is about Sufism. It is about fana fil arz. A philosophy developed in conquered lands by people who tried to bring semblances of their previous religious and philosophical traditions into Islam.

I do not wish to discuss here whether Sufism is Islamic or not, that could be a debate for another board but the discussion here is about political Islam. The organization of a Muslim polity, of how a Muslim state should function, its economy, its politics etc. that is what we are discussing here. Please don’t turn it into a debate over how we achieve salvation.

I do not know much about Mufti Naeemi, therefore, I will refrain from speculating on the reasons why he switched his sides. But regardless of whether he changed his sides because of the prospects of getting a part of $1.5 billion annual bllod money or because a new revelation dawned on him on definition of Islam, the fact remains that it was his own vhice to go over to the side of Dajjal. It was his choice to become the foot soldier of Dajjal. He was the one who chose to protect the system in Pakistan that feeds on human life, blood, and dignity. It is that system that has snatched basic human dignity and self respect from Pakistan. It is that system which has turned Pakistanis into pye dogs who are kicked around by everybody in this world and yet they don't hesitate to lick the hands that feed them. It is that system which has stolen the dream of a better Pakistan from Pakistanis and has forced them to accept corruption, complacency, and indignity as the only way of life. It is that system that has made Pakistanis lose faith in Allah and themselves and forced them to prostrate before the worst of human beings. As sad as Naeemis death may be as a human being, but that is what he chose. It was his choice to join hundereds and thousands of those cowards and compliant wretched souls who have no courage to change this cruel and oppressive system, even when they have the chance. He chose to be the foot soldier of this cruel system that flourisehs by the massacre of Muslims and human beings. He chose to live by sword, so he died with sword. No one dare cry for him.

http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/20060612.html
THE POVERTY OF FANATICISM
Please follow the above thread to enlighten yourself on Islam. Religion cultures the Ruh(spirit) and Nafs(self), therefore it is called Mazhab, as in Tehzeeb. Barbarism by definition is opposite of religion. Munazra(debate) could be conducted between peaceful humans looking to find the truth of a matter.

#32 Posted by tahir

I would like to answer your whole post and not dodge any of the points you have made.

“How, by slaughtering who they think deserve to be butchered in a way that even Muslims wouldn't follow for sacrificial animals?�

So I guess a daisy cutter, or a drone from afar or an artillery shell lobbed over a mile is perhaps more humane way of killing. Just because you don’t become so upclose and personal with your victims does not take away from the barbarity of your act. Being swayed by u tube images hardly qualifies a mature approach.

“What have these hill-billies achieved in terms of education, inventions, science, or to serve pure and simple Islam?�

These hill-billies are exactly the same in the tradition of the Khulfa e Rahidun, who conquered for Hadrat Umar Farooq the vast khilafat that he ruled over. It was the greatest empire that the Muslims established in hisory. Yes sir! And it was the same hill-billies who gave the ummah the power and the strength so that it was possible for education, inventions and science to germinate in Muslim lands.


“Take a vote, how many dozen people in Pakistan want the Tall-eban brand of Islam?�

Vote is nothing more then popular opinion at a particular time, which could be entirely wrong. Look what happened in America in 2003 everyone was in favor of attacking Iraq, everybody in the world (including Russia) were convinced that Iraq had WMDs. A few months later everybody was against the war in Iraq. So this barometer is entirely devoid of any objectivity.


“Throughout history these fighters have been used--after getting paid of course.�

Yes they have been used exactly the same way. The beduin who joined Umar’s armies was not going out to spread Islam or any such esoteric ideal. He was going out on campaign to get maal e ghanimah. “Agar jeet gaye tau ghazi aur agar mur gayee tau shaheed� has been a potent formula for success from day one.

More over they have not done anything that could be construed against sharia.

Re: # 26
"The Taliban are sacrificing their lives in their cause to establish Sharia in Pakistan"

How, by slaughtering who they think deserve to be butchered in a way that even Muslims wouldn't follow for sacrificial animals?

What have these hill-billies achieved in terms of education, inventions, science, or to serve pure and simple Islam?

Take a vote, how many dozen people in Pakistan want the Tall-eban brand of Islam?

Throughout history these fighters have been used--after getting paid of course.

Naqsh miaN,

You are trying to have it both ways.

If aqaids are the issue, feel free to tell us what Ahmadi aqaids do you find repugnant. I recall you making derogatory comments, repeatedly and vehemently, about Ahmadis as well as Mirza Sahib. What did I miss …??

Furthermore, your own aqaids condone hateful violence. Go back and review your comments on why blasphemers should be executed. What about apostates and adulterers? Feel free to share with us your aqaids.

Your own brother Urstruly has turned on you and fully supports the Taliban. Is he no longer your brother in faith? Did something happen on the way to heaven??

Feel free to comment. It seems you are trying to have it both ways and, as punishment, should be forced to have sex with Madeline Albright …

#29

Naqshbandi Sahib:

Leaving labels aside, which of their aqaids are you calling unIslamic?

Tehsin,

Do you know the horrendous aqaid of the Taliban who are Deobandis and or Ahle Hadith?

In addition to #21

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20096\18\story_18-6-2009_p g7_5

Between breaks in their memorisation, a cluster of students at the Jamia Naeemia said suicide attacks were un-Islamic. But several said they also hoped to die for Islam.

Regards

What do the Beards say now?

http://www.chowk.com/ilogs/72452/30139

Naqshbandi:

“The Taliban are not Muslims. It was about time someone had the guts to say so.�

What bold faced liars and hypocrites you and your ilk really are. Just because you feel embarrassed by Taliban action today you have the temarity to change the definition of what it means to be a Muslim. Shame on you, and shame on those like you spineless worms. The definition of Muslim is simple, direct and unchanging, which has been there from day one and will continue to remain so till eternity despite your munafiqats. Muslim is anybody who recites the kalima bears witness in the unity of God and Muhammad being his prophet. All that is required is that he believes it in his heart.

The Taliban are sacrificing their lives in their cause to establish Sharia in Pakistan and you and the sarkari maulvis call them non Muslims. Of course they should blow all of you up, because you have no clue as to who a Muslim is.

Naqsh,

Martyr has positive connotation in Islam. Why bother if he's martyred? Tell us if he's assassinated.

"The reality is the real ulema of Haqq have been anti Taliban since the beginning. '

The question is who is goiong to decide who are the real Ulema??

Is there going to be a voting for that??

In Islamic duel it is the sword that decides the "truth' of some one's message and interpretation!!

If Mehsud wins the war through his terror - he would only be emulating the Prophet who declared victory of his message by killing the mushriques and munafiques!!