Pervez Hoodbhoy June 15, 2009
#297 Posted by meenug on October 8, 2009 10:12:20 am
In 498 CE, Indian mathematician and astronomer Aryabhata stated that "Sthanam sthanam dasa gunam" or place to place in ten times in value, which may be the origin of the modern decimal-based place value notation.
The oldest known text to use a decimal place-value system, including a zero, is the Jain text from India entitled the Lokavibhaga, dated 458 CE. This text uses Sanskrit numeral words for the digits, with words such as the Sanskrit word for void for zero. The first known use of special glyphs for the decimal digits that includes the indubitable appearance of a symbol for the digit zero, a small circle, appears on a stone inscription found at the Chaturbhuja Temple at Gwalior in India, dated 876 CE.
There are many documents on copper plates, with the same small o in them, dated back as far as the sixth century CE, but their authenticity may be doubted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_(number)
http://www.timelineindex. com/content/view/1452
The oldest known text to use a decimal place-value system, including a zero, is the Jain text from India entitled the Lokavibhaga, dated 458 CE. This text uses Sanskrit numeral words for the digits, with words such as the Sanskrit word for void for zero. The first known use of special glyphs for the decimal digits that includes the indubitable appearance of a symbol for the digit zero, a small circle, appears on a stone inscription found at the Chaturbhuja Temple at Gwalior in India, dated 876 CE.
There are many documents on copper plates, with the same small o in them, dated back as far as the sixth century CE, but their authenticity may be doubted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_(number)
http://www.timelineindex. com/content/view/1452
#296 Posted by vakibs on August 26, 2009 2:31:38 am
Zero invented in China ? :) I don't even want to read the book if it's as ridiculous as that.. The decimal method of counting with zeros is inherent to Indian philosophical tradition, going back to the Samkhya system (which means enumeration). It is written all over Indian culture and tradition. Arguing against is kinda silly, because there's really no substance.
http://the-redpill.blogspot.com/2006/09/c-o-u-n-t-i-n-g-w-i-t-h-z-e-r-o-e-s. html
One of the best champions of Indian mathematics, cosmology and philosophy was Al Biruni, who studied most closely Sanskrit scriptures. Earlier to him was Pythagoras, who for all practical purposes was a follower of Vedic Brahmin religion.
http://the-redpill.blogspot.com/2006/09/c-o-u-n-t-i-n-g-w-i-t-h-z-e-r-o-e-s. html
One of the best champions of Indian mathematics, cosmology and philosophy was Al Biruni, who studied most closely Sanskrit scriptures. Earlier to him was Pythagoras, who for all practical purposes was a follower of Vedic Brahmin religion.
#295 Posted by RanaRajputana on August 11, 2009 5:29:55 am
Re: # 277
A very big lie, perpetuated by the Islamic Media and lapped up hungrily by the Dhimmi Western Media
A very big lie, perpetuated by the Islamic Media and lapped up hungrily by the Dhimmi Western Media
#294 Posted by foggy1 on August 3, 2009 9:29:40 am
Re: # 293
after the first para of the above, i'd like to quote this:
"But, all said and done, mathematics is mathematics. The bottom line is that a quadratic equation solved by whoever and by whatever means has to give exactly the same solutions. "
after the first para of the above, i'd like to quote this:
"But, all said and done, mathematics is mathematics. The bottom line is that a quadratic equation solved by whoever and by whatever means has to give exactly the same solutions. "
#293 Posted by foggy1 on August 3, 2009 9:27:23 am
the far eastern neighbor of India,certainly seems to have the edge as far as the ancient story of maths goes.the former may very well be more ancient, according to the statement in your article.someone or the other is always vying for something.
another thing which equalizes any imbalance forseeable, in maths versus the people who use it is ;
the other day i was reading online comments by IT professionals.they did not belong to pakistan.i gathered,that when it was new, there were many people pouring into the field, and found it lucrative.but now the same people who are senior and very experienced find that when their contract ended, it was not renewed.they had the experience but were not getting jobs in their field because of age.coming to the present day, fresh graduates in the field of IT are not given jobs because of lack of experience and real world training.the object of their envy are immigrants, with IT qualifications who work for less remuneration.also outsourcing giants like India, which seems to have suffered little setback owing to its giant scam, also seems to be the source of envy.one of the senior IT onliner remarked, that IT should not be taught as an exclusive course in an IT teaching institution anymore.he suggested a combined degree. i cannot picture what this means.but i got an idea and liked it, that it must be taught at different levels; from school to college to university with other subjects.especially medical colleges and universities.where different packages would be available depending on the duration, short courses, long, and full fledged ones where you could get a bs or msc or PhD in it.also all those medical students studying the subject of IT, could take up research, and software designing and production according to the medical needs at the industrial level, medical interpersonal level, at adminstrative, at equipment, LAB investigativelevels, at staff, patients, student, and teachers level.
another point raised by the foreign ‘onliner was-the level of IT teaching.i understood that he meant 2 levels, already exist, according to the types of students.one is the short, familiarisation level where the students only want to know about computer/internet basic, mostly the software and applications part, so that they can rush and get up to their social networks and stick there.mostly chatting or may be making up for their absence at school, by taking missed notes or doing online homework.and the other level is the advanced level, where the brilliant ones in the IT field are left after the scum has spilled over to limn the internet with its twitter/chatter.these young people can really take to the advanced IT.in hi school, colleges and universities and go in for hi IT research innovations and developments and products used for their own professional subjects which degree courses they are also pursuing in the same institutions!a doctor a scientist ,engineer, lawyer, banker, artist, innovator, entrepreneur, administrator who is himself an IT expert -is indeed Master of all he surveys!
another thing which equalizes any imbalance forseeable, in maths versus the people who use it is ;
the other day i was reading online comments by IT professionals.they did not belong to pakistan.i gathered,that when it was new, there were many people pouring into the field, and found it lucrative.but now the same people who are senior and very experienced find that when their contract ended, it was not renewed.they had the experience but were not getting jobs in their field because of age.coming to the present day, fresh graduates in the field of IT are not given jobs because of lack of experience and real world training.the object of their envy are immigrants, with IT qualifications who work for less remuneration.also outsourcing giants like India, which seems to have suffered little setback owing to its giant scam, also seems to be the source of envy.one of the senior IT onliner remarked, that IT should not be taught as an exclusive course in an IT teaching institution anymore.he suggested a combined degree. i cannot picture what this means.but i got an idea and liked it, that it must be taught at different levels; from school to college to university with other subjects.especially medical colleges and universities.where different packages would be available depending on the duration, short courses, long, and full fledged ones where you could get a bs or msc or PhD in it.also all those medical students studying the subject of IT, could take up research, and software designing and production according to the medical needs at the industrial level, medical interpersonal level, at adminstrative, at equipment, LAB investigativelevels, at staff, patients, student, and teachers level.
another point raised by the foreign ‘onliner was-the level of IT teaching.i understood that he meant 2 levels, already exist, according to the types of students.one is the short, familiarisation level where the students only want to know about computer/internet basic, mostly the software and applications part, so that they can rush and get up to their social networks and stick there.mostly chatting or may be making up for their absence at school, by taking missed notes or doing online homework.and the other level is the advanced level, where the brilliant ones in the IT field are left after the scum has spilled over to limn the internet with its twitter/chatter.these young people can really take to the advanced IT.in hi school, colleges and universities and go in for hi IT research innovations and developments and products used for their own professional subjects which degree courses they are also pursuing in the same institutions!a doctor a scientist ,engineer, lawyer, banker, artist, innovator, entrepreneur, administrator who is himself an IT expert -is indeed Master of all he surveys!
#292 Posted by bhs75 on July 4, 2009 9:16:05 pm
would like to suggest a good reading if anyone can find it online,
Islam & Science - Religious orthodoxy and battle for rationality -
by:
Prof. Pervez Amirali Hoodbhoy
Islam & Science - Religious orthodoxy and battle for rationality -
by:
Prof. Pervez Amirali Hoodbhoy
#291 Posted by echoboom on June 21, 2009 7:10:08 pm
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#289 Posted by CoolAL on June 21, 2009 5:47:55 am
#286
Now your bravery matches the glorius "Tiger" Niazi who used 155mm artillary against defenseless students in Dhaka University and did got his butt handed to him on a plate.
The Indian Army had to "Protect" him from his own people after his surrender.
Now your bravery matches the glorius "Tiger" Niazi who used 155mm artillary against defenseless students in Dhaka University and did got his butt handed to him on a plate.
The Indian Army had to "Protect" him from his own people after his surrender.
#288 Posted by major on June 20, 2009 11:55:26 am
Re: # 286 GF
[...you sound like a truly brave warrior...]
Thanks man, you are too... you are the bravest of them all - who else can claim with straight face that pakis never did ethnic killing... LOL
[...you sound like a truly brave warrior...]
Thanks man, you are too... you are the bravest of them all - who else can claim with straight face that pakis never did ethnic killing... LOL
#287 Posted by pinku on June 19, 2009 9:09:23 pm
#268 Posted by bulleya on
Bulleya, India was called Aryavrata, though in later times there were distinct mahajanpads in the area now called afganistan, pakistan and northern India (plus middle part of India as well). Area close to delhi is called jambudeep in sanskrit parayer shlokas etc. Even today the same shlokas/mantras are recited during important hindu ceremonies.
The religion was simply called "dharm", which they later started calling snantan dharm
So Hinduism or that "dharm" as a unifying factor predates the idea of India/Bharat/Aryavrata created by any one, whether greeks, persians, arabs or british, or Hindu themselves, but India as a separate almost protected land mass with lots of population predates even the idea of Hinduism/Dharma. It is possible that dravidians are living in India since as long as africans in africa. And most probably Hinduism and its mythology borrows a lot from the old dravidian culture that got mixed with Aryan's culture. It is almost impossible to think of Shiv and Krishn as blue/black God for so called pure white Aryans
Bulleya, India was called Aryavrata, though in later times there were distinct mahajanpads in the area now called afganistan, pakistan and northern India (plus middle part of India as well). Area close to delhi is called jambudeep in sanskrit parayer shlokas etc. Even today the same shlokas/mantras are recited during important hindu ceremonies.
The religion was simply called "dharm", which they later started calling snantan dharm
So Hinduism or that "dharm" as a unifying factor predates the idea of India/Bharat/Aryavrata created by any one, whether greeks, persians, arabs or british, or Hindu themselves, but India as a separate almost protected land mass with lots of population predates even the idea of Hinduism/Dharma. It is possible that dravidians are living in India since as long as africans in africa. And most probably Hinduism and its mythology borrows a lot from the old dravidian culture that got mixed with Aryan's culture. It is almost impossible to think of Shiv and Krishn as blue/black God for so called pure white Aryans
#286 Posted by Goldfinger on June 19, 2009 1:44:29 pm
Re: # 280, 281
major...you sound like a truly brave warrior...almost as brave as your forebears in the not too distant a past when they fought just as bravely against the Chinese in 1962...when just someone calling out "Chinese!" was enough to induce sprints away from the field of battle which could create record times in the Olympic games (otherwise people being too stunted to do so in real Olympics)...condoning acts of violence and brutality against a section of hapless civilians of your own country...how great indeed this Shining India must be to live in! Where otherwise hunger, poverty, starvation are rampant...
major...you sound like a truly brave warrior...almost as brave as your forebears in the not too distant a past when they fought just as bravely against the Chinese in 1962...when just someone calling out "Chinese!" was enough to induce sprints away from the field of battle which could create record times in the Olympic games (otherwise people being too stunted to do so in real Olympics)...condoning acts of violence and brutality against a section of hapless civilians of your own country...how great indeed this Shining India must be to live in! Where otherwise hunger, poverty, starvation are rampant...
#285 Posted by GT on June 19, 2009 1:00:09 pm
Sanskrit mathematical shlokas remind me of :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNC-aj76zI4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNC-aj76zI4
#284 Posted by kaurasach on June 19, 2009 10:59:17 am
another petty rant by the thieves -
Plate pissers, who haven't made a single contribution to civilized world, and stole and copied everything from others, including their rituals from the Jews; they are horrified and petty to admit others' achievements.
Yes, the mughals are called great, but the contributors to the greatness were the conquered and the converted.......same goes for the Central Asian empires.
A modern example is Dubai - it is a great place (relatively speaking) but its greatness is from the contributions of foreigners.
Plate pissers, who haven't made a single contribution to civilized world, and stole and copied everything from others, including their rituals from the Jews; they are horrified and petty to admit others' achievements.
Yes, the mughals are called great, but the contributors to the greatness were the conquered and the converted.......same goes for the Central Asian empires.
A modern example is Dubai - it is a great place (relatively speaking) but its greatness is from the contributions of foreigners.
#283 Posted by CoolAL on June 19, 2009 8:53:45 am
#279
Dude, I find your naiivete absolutely astounding. Let us see, your point is that India influenced the Bengalis to revolt against you Pakis and so it is all -- ok ok 50% --Inida's fault.
If your treatment of Bengalis left them vulnerable to be manipulated, whose fault is that? If you are not ready to acknowledge that, then you have no hope. The Bengalis first took the election route to make their point and you guys responded by shelling Dhaka university with 155mm artillary.
If you and your ilk have an ounce of shame and self-respect, you will stop obfuscating, deflecting and finding excuses and acknowledge that fact. You do not have a leg to stand on. You impress no one with all this creative spinning. It is a pig dude and no amount of liptick will change the fact.
After you acknowledge that, we can start talking about other stuff.
Dude, I find your naiivete absolutely astounding. Let us see, your point is that India influenced the Bengalis to revolt against you Pakis and so it is all -- ok ok 50% --Inida's fault.
If your treatment of Bengalis left them vulnerable to be manipulated, whose fault is that? If you are not ready to acknowledge that, then you have no hope. The Bengalis first took the election route to make their point and you guys responded by shelling Dhaka university with 155mm artillary.
If you and your ilk have an ounce of shame and self-respect, you will stop obfuscating, deflecting and finding excuses and acknowledge that fact. You do not have a leg to stand on. You impress no one with all this creative spinning. It is a pig dude and no amount of liptick will change the fact.
After you acknowledge that, we can start talking about other stuff.
#282 Posted by swapnavasavdutta on June 19, 2009 7:03:57 am
goldfinger, the hard part for you to understand and
absorb may be, hinjew ab hinjew nahi rahe, they have
imbibed some after interacting with brutal Muslims
military invader and civilian dictator and brutes
like Jinnah, and are dishing out to you guys.
You had monopoly on this for past 1300 years,
no more, good or bad, mostly bad for you guys.
absorb may be, hinjew ab hinjew nahi rahe, they have
imbibed some after interacting with brutal Muslims
military invader and civilian dictator and brutes
like Jinnah, and are dishing out to you guys.
You had monopoly on this for past 1300 years,
no more, good or bad, mostly bad for you guys.
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