Hindu Mathematics – How Original Was It?

Re: # 168

miaN, past glories are not sufficient to live on. It has been 60 years since the British left, why are there so few libraries all across India? IMHO, the answer is simple -- Indians by and large are diriven by a sense of individual profit and don't care for sharing knowledge -- mostly so can hoard it for individual profit. So, there may be gurus from time to time but they leave few chelas.

Re: # 166
GF...
You have not answered yet...
It is the matter of establishing a well defined system and culture to produce better result in any field (be it literature, science and mathematics...)...Indians, theorugh their better culture created that and they produced series of mathematicians....It is not matter of individual effort, only...

In one post, someone put it, how it is impossible for an islamic society to produce better result in mathematics and science...now go and bang your head on nearest mosque floor and shouting in arabic...Abdus Salam has to leave Pakistan to carry out further research....

BJ2...
Indians created earliest of the education systems, starting with GuruKul, then PathShalas, then Vidyapeeths and then Mahavidyalayas....Individual talent can not produce

a) well structured literature
b) well structured grammar
b) contigious improvement in astronomy
c) contigious improvement in mathematics

etc. etc....

After 11th/12th century, all these education infrastructure ( like destruction of Nalanda Mahavidyalaya or Kashi Vidyapeeth) and system ( ruler used to promote these stuff, when ,money stopped flowing into these institutes, it dried up) got destroyed. When Brits came, there was nothing left, on which, India has unique advantage...
Those who blame, brits for suppressing Indian form of education, should remember that, Indian intellectuals preferred British form of education than anything else.Vidyasagar was given responsibility to form education policy of Bengal, which was replicated later, throughout India (including pakistan). Though he was studied in PathShala, he was happy to adopt British form of Education, due to it's advancement....
Bihar and UP is ravaged place...You should visit Mutts in South India...That may give fair share of idea, how well organisezed Indian system was at one time....

There is a book written by Will Durant on History
"The Story of Civilization"

On an individual basis, there certainly has never been a shortage of talent, originality and creativity among Indians for ages – not only in Math but in virtually every field. The trouble, the way I see it – has always been the insufficient documentation and sharing of knowledge to preserve it after a "genius" passes away and an inability to pass it on to future generations. Even to this day, library facilities in my small Bihar town are between pathetic to non-existent. Hopefully, the internet would be of help in preserving the current and future knowledge without a fear of the archives getting destroyed through man-made or natural causes.

Re: # 163

nkg...you silly little turd...reread my response # 158 again and burn...there is no other truth...gifted and talented people are born the world over...even in the remote crevices of Africa...India should have had many times more because of 1.5 billion population...shame that they don't...only the likes of you are typical product of Indian education...gutter mouth and horrid bigotry...thats all.

Re: # 162

harish...actually my point is that if pogroms and mass exterminations of minorities are undertaken by responsible and elected government officials in the first place, how can great talent like Dr. Salam rise to the top from those minorities? Numerous such talent must, I'm sure, be snuffed out in the bud in the very beginning even before getting chance to be mistreated after great accomplishment. That is all I wanted to say, without veering off the subject.

Re: # 161
GF,
with so many progroms, % of muslim population in India is increasing higher than national average...
The non moslem population in Pakistan dropped from 15%-20% to 2% now...
Can you please justify that?

Re: # 158
gf...
rascal...
You know the question,the context and the answer very well...so you are concentrating in what Abdus Salam did, without admitting the truth...

Abdus Salam is a Physicist and he won Nobel for his work on Nuclear Physics, with 2 others from US and Europe...
The subject and the work have no connection with Pakistan or Arab or Islam or any influence from one of these three...

I am framing the question again...If you can answer, please do it properly...

If arabs/moslems were masters in mathematics, why Pakistan ( with 900 years of arabic/islamic influence) failed to produce a single notable mathematican, without US/EU help/influence?


Here is the example of Bhaskara II and Madhava,in Indian context...They have carried out their work purely in India and without any external assistance,inspiration and influence....a work purely Indian....

#159 by Goldfinger

GF yaar, I thought we were talking about recognition of talent? If you remember, we were talking about the horrendous treatment Dr. Abdus Salam received at the hands of the Paki establishment and how Pakis lost a golden opportunity to work with and learn from one of the premier physicists of his time. You said such things happen in India as well to which I replied that at least I wasn't aware of a case where a scientist or researcher was meted out such treatment merely because of his religious beliefs.

You're going completely off track if you bring up Gujarat and pogroms.

Re: # 145

harish...so are you telling me that pogroms to cleanse India of minorities do not occur from time to time? That those who master minded the mass scale extermination of minorities in Gujrat, and other places did not occupy high official positions in the Indian government?

Re: # 145

harish...so are you telling me that pogroms to cleanse India of minorities do not occur from time to time? That those who master minded the mass scale extermination of minorities in Gujrat, and other places did not occupy high official positions in the Indian government?

Re: # 145

harish...so are you telling me that pogroms to cleanse India of minorities do not occur from time to time? That those who master minded the mass scale extermination of minorities in Gujrat, and other places did not occupy high official positions in the Indian government?

Re: # 143

nkg...if you wish to continue with your immature silliness...ok Dr. Salam won Nobel Prize in Physics...science and genius fortunately do not belong to the bastion of bigots like yourself...so in what way do you wish to compare the achievements of Dr. Salam with the gentlemen you named, and in what way do they take away from or add to the achievements of each?

Re: # 151
cobra...
"For pakis Indian classical music, architecture, civilization and the whole enchilada would not habe been possible without the "Muslim" influence..."

oh realy!!!!anyhow, how these muslas are doing now in Classical music, painting and architecture?
Who invited them to India?
Is there any evidence that Indians travelled to arab land to learn these stuff? (to the best of my knowledge -none...)
I think, it is the Meenakshi mandir of Madurai, where each piller group generates sounds of different musical instruments and each piller of that group makes sound of one of the octates...Now, does these Pakis/muslas claim such stuff in arab land or it is arabs built Meenakshi temple!!!!!

Natural disposal has one advantage id flexibility joints wheretop of thigh is attached to main body and knees.
Most western peoples knees and above joints are frozen and rusted and they can not use natural ways. I have even asked my students when they come to visit their young children can sit is natural position their all knee and joints are rusted by in action and become immobile. Dr Shankar etc can comment.

Dr.Shankar and Malik Rashid... Thanks for you comments.
Thanks for understanding proper waste disposal going in nonbig cities. One should not create problem if it is not there. Hundreds of gallaons water will wasted to transport few Kg of liquids and solid wastes. We have no water in big cities like Karachi where tanker Mafia operates. Water is to precious ( water availability has reduced from 2100 m3 to about 500m3 in pakistan and with increase in population in next 30 years will be 250m3).
New crazy idea most damaging released by west on our lands is drinking water in plastic bottles.
As usual our population have picked wasteful harming ways.

Pinku, so long as mohajirs are there they will keep this ummaite identity alive.