Pervez Hoodbhoy June 15, 2009
#281 Posted by major on June 19, 2009 6:59:28 am
Yaar GF - fighting and whining does not go together... if you want to fight us, don't expect us to be nice to you - we will do bad things to you...
that's how fights usually work... if you are such fighters, let's fight - let the best team win... stop whining...
that's how fights usually work... if you are such fighters, let's fight - let the best team win... stop whining...
#280 Posted by major on June 19, 2009 6:55:29 am
Re: # 277 GF
and I have told you that's part of the war... you fight us, that's what will happen to you... you stop fighting, things will work out fine for everybody... kind of simple...
and I have told you that's part of the war... you fight us, that's what will happen to you... you stop fighting, things will work out fine for everybody... kind of simple...
#279 Posted by Goldfinger on June 19, 2009 6:53:48 am
Re: # 276
I knew you were going to say this...was this not perpetrated through India's connivance? 50 percent blame to you guys in that civil war...
I knew you were going to say this...was this not perpetrated through India's connivance? 50 percent blame to you guys in that civil war...
#278 Posted by swapnavasavdutta on June 19, 2009 6:49:48 am
# 274
Well, then they should not have picked up the guns in 87. There was no army in Kashmir till then and there
would not be once Kashmiris demonstrate civility.
Well, then they should not have picked up the guns in 87. There was no army in Kashmir till then and there
would not be once Kashmiris demonstrate civility.
#277 Posted by Goldfinger on June 19, 2009 6:49:35 am
Re: # 275
My point is that you guys are committing horrid brutalities, like rape, murder, torture, and ethnic cleansing...thats all.
My point is that you guys are committing horrid brutalities, like rape, murder, torture, and ethnic cleansing...thats all.
#276 Posted by major on June 19, 2009 6:43:01 am
Re: # 273
[... don't think any Pakistani leaders (elected or unelected) have ever participated in pogroms committed against any minorities ...]
I guess, a million bengalis killed by pakis was just a frat party?... bengalis are not even the minority, they are actually the majority... and Waht about balochis and mohajirs killed by your "leaders"...
Are you dumb?...
[... don't think any Pakistani leaders (elected or unelected) have ever participated in pogroms committed against any minorities ...]
I guess, a million bengalis killed by pakis was just a frat party?... bengalis are not even the minority, they are actually the majority... and Waht about balochis and mohajirs killed by your "leaders"...
Are you dumb?...
#275 Posted by major on June 19, 2009 6:40:54 am
Re: # 274 GF
yeah, whatever... kashmir is injun land and will remain with injuns... kashmiris have problem with that - they can face mecca and start walking towards it...
Or if they want to stay and fight then we give them the fight... so what's your point then?...
yeah, whatever... kashmir is injun land and will remain with injuns... kashmiris have problem with that - they can face mecca and start walking towards it...
Or if they want to stay and fight then we give them the fight... so what's your point then?...
#274 Posted by Goldfinger on June 19, 2009 6:33:48 am
Re: # 272
harish...actually the Kashmiris say that they wish to achieve freedom from India because they are fed up of the atrocities being committed against them by the Injun army...may be you and your army call this terrorism but for those who are being brutalised are clearly claiming a fight for freedom from the brutal and oppressive yoke of Indian bigotry. I have come across many Kashmiris scattered around the world who vouch for this fact.
harish...actually the Kashmiris say that they wish to achieve freedom from India because they are fed up of the atrocities being committed against them by the Injun army...may be you and your army call this terrorism but for those who are being brutalised are clearly claiming a fight for freedom from the brutal and oppressive yoke of Indian bigotry. I have come across many Kashmiris scattered around the world who vouch for this fact.
#273 Posted by Goldfinger on June 19, 2009 6:24:55 am
Re: # 271
harish...there we go again...going round and around in circles...I don't think any Pakistani leaders (elected or unelected) have ever participated in pogroms committed against any minorities like those undertaken by elected Indian leaders, with the pleasures and help of the electorates now...do you know of any I might be forgetting?
harish...there we go again...going round and around in circles...I don't think any Pakistani leaders (elected or unelected) have ever participated in pogroms committed against any minorities like those undertaken by elected Indian leaders, with the pleasures and help of the electorates now...do you know of any I might be forgetting?
#272 Posted by harish_hyd on June 19, 2009 5:59:41 am
#269 by Goldfinger
GF yaar, if you read up on the latest reports, there are far more Paki terrorists in Kashmir than there are Kashmiri terrorists. So what does that prove? And if the uprising is indeed indigenous, why are there camps on Paki territory? Why are Paki citizens dying in Kashmir?
GF yaar, if you read up on the latest reports, there are far more Paki terrorists in Kashmir than there are Kashmiri terrorists. So what does that prove? And if the uprising is indeed indigenous, why are there camps on Paki territory? Why are Paki citizens dying in Kashmir?
#271 Posted by harish_hyd on June 19, 2009 5:56:47 am
#267 by Goldfinger
GF yaar, as I said, you're only seeing what you want to see and conveniently ignoring obvious facts. The fact is that despite teething problems, India's democracy allows a degree of freedom to its minorities that minorities in Pakistan can only dream of. That someone as famous as Dr. Abdus Salam could be discriminated against for his religious beliefs clearly shows what an average Paki minority citizen faces in the country. The systemic discrimination against Ahmadis, the shameful requirement in the Paki passport where Pakis are asked to declare their contempt for the Ahmadi sect points to a deeper malaise that is hard to find elsewhere (perhaps only Arab or African countries fare worse).
GF yaar, as I said, you're only seeing what you want to see and conveniently ignoring obvious facts. The fact is that despite teething problems, India's democracy allows a degree of freedom to its minorities that minorities in Pakistan can only dream of. That someone as famous as Dr. Abdus Salam could be discriminated against for his religious beliefs clearly shows what an average Paki minority citizen faces in the country. The systemic discrimination against Ahmadis, the shameful requirement in the Paki passport where Pakis are asked to declare their contempt for the Ahmadi sect points to a deeper malaise that is hard to find elsewhere (perhaps only Arab or African countries fare worse).
#270 Posted by swapnavasavdutta on June 19, 2009 4:07:39 am
I thought it was persians before they became Muslims who coined the
term Hindu since s changes to h in (the then) farsi but may be you are
right, Muslims have invented everything in this world.
Hope you are not stuck still at the name and have gone beyond to
learn about the mathematics itself to meaningfully contribute to
the contents discussions.
term Hindu since s changes to h in (the then) farsi but may be you are
right, Muslims have invented everything in this world.
Hope you are not stuck still at the name and have gone beyond to
learn about the mathematics itself to meaningfully contribute to
the contents discussions.
#269 Posted by Goldfinger on June 19, 2009 4:03:56 am
Re: # 256
major...why would there be refugees and IDPs, when the local populace hates the Indian army and their shenanigans in Kashmir...they clearly don't trust the injuns...would rather fight them for their freedom than run and leave their homes to a bunch of ruthless goons...some are six fight under the ground pushing up daisies, others have been made to vanish...some kind of beautiful war of freedom you injuns are involved in against civilians of Kashmir!
major...why would there be refugees and IDPs, when the local populace hates the Indian army and their shenanigans in Kashmir...they clearly don't trust the injuns...would rather fight them for their freedom than run and leave their homes to a bunch of ruthless goons...some are six fight under the ground pushing up daisies, others have been made to vanish...some kind of beautiful war of freedom you injuns are involved in against civilians of Kashmir!
#268 Posted by bulleya on June 19, 2009 3:58:12 am
dost-mittar #: "I however have a slight problem with the title - it's more accurate to call this mathematics Indian rather than hindu. Who knows what faiths Aryabhata or Mahadeva practised, whether they were Buddhists, Jains, Shaivites or atheists?"
actually, india is a 60 year phenomenon, hence it certainly cannot be called indian mathematics......at best, it is a 150 year old phenomenon, starting for the british conquest of delhi.....
....and if you really want to get into facts, then the term hindu and hinduism did not exist historically either......this is acknowledged by indian scholars like nehru.....
hindu is a term used by muslims, when the invaded and moved into south asia, to describe a geographical area.....not a religion.....it is basically an 800 year old term.....
.....hinduism is actually an english word.....hence, there is no way it could have existed prior to the british invading india.......if my research is correct, it is a term used by the british to describe the religion practiced in hind - a name given by muslims to this area.......hence hinduism is a term which originated within the past 200 years or so......
.......what then is the name of the reliigion practiced in south asia......it certainly wasn't called hinduism by the people practicing it.....nor was the region called hind.....
what did the people of this region call the region.......and what did they call their religion(s)......perhaps sanata dharma.....
.....the history of south asia must be amongst the most misunderstood and distored of any area.....
actually, india is a 60 year phenomenon, hence it certainly cannot be called indian mathematics......at best, it is a 150 year old phenomenon, starting for the british conquest of delhi.....
....and if you really want to get into facts, then the term hindu and hinduism did not exist historically either......this is acknowledged by indian scholars like nehru.....
hindu is a term used by muslims, when the invaded and moved into south asia, to describe a geographical area.....not a religion.....it is basically an 800 year old term.....
.....hinduism is actually an english word.....hence, there is no way it could have existed prior to the british invading india.......if my research is correct, it is a term used by the british to describe the religion practiced in hind - a name given by muslims to this area.......hence hinduism is a term which originated within the past 200 years or so......
.......what then is the name of the reliigion practiced in south asia......it certainly wasn't called hinduism by the people practicing it.....nor was the region called hind.....
what did the people of this region call the region.......and what did they call their religion(s)......perhaps sanata dharma.....
.....the history of south asia must be amongst the most misunderstood and distored of any area.....
#267 Posted by Goldfinger on June 19, 2009 3:52:52 am
Re: # 254
harish...please reread my previous interacts, particularly #172...thanks.
harish...please reread my previous interacts, particularly #172...thanks.
#266 Posted by nkg on June 18, 2009 11:39:19 pm
Re: # 262
VRV...
There is/was no...
The muslas there were ganging up for long time and in opportunate moment, they attacked the Pundits and looted their property etc...
Not, a single property, owned by Pundits, is now un-occupied...You should not blame Pakistanis for this action....
VRV...
There is/was no...
The muslas there were ganging up for long time and in opportunate moment, they attacked the Pundits and looted their property etc...
Not, a single property, owned by Pundits, is now un-occupied...You should not blame Pakistanis for this action....
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