Pervez Hoodbhoy June 15, 2009
#265 Posted by nkg on June 18, 2009 11:27:02 pm
Re: # 259
VRV...
This is almost a myth created by GoI...
The local muslas are far more notorious than anyone else. They need to sacrifice more of their daughters, wives and sons (at least 8 times the number of Pundit victims) to be paid back...If you have invested 100RS in 1989, you would have got 800RS, now...So, they should receive the interest of their share of attrocities as well..
I have heard the real account about the kashmiri muslas from an ex-student of R E C(now NIT), Shrinagar...
He told me that, these kashmiri muslas behave like ordinary humans upto Banihal tunnel. Once you cross it, you will be in mini-pakistan/jihadi environment. Entire tourism money is funneled to fuel terrorism. There is no bigger scoundrel on earth than Kashmiri muslas living both in India and UK...
VRV...
This is almost a myth created by GoI...
The local muslas are far more notorious than anyone else. They need to sacrifice more of their daughters, wives and sons (at least 8 times the number of Pundit victims) to be paid back...If you have invested 100RS in 1989, you would have got 800RS, now...So, they should receive the interest of their share of attrocities as well..
I have heard the real account about the kashmiri muslas from an ex-student of R E C(now NIT), Shrinagar...
He told me that, these kashmiri muslas behave like ordinary humans upto Banihal tunnel. Once you cross it, you will be in mini-pakistan/jihadi environment. Entire tourism money is funneled to fuel terrorism. There is no bigger scoundrel on earth than Kashmiri muslas living both in India and UK...
#264 Posted by nkg on June 18, 2009 11:17:32 pm
Re: # 244
Kul...
India/Bharat was known to middle east as Hindi/Hind. So, there is no harm in referring to Indian math as Hindu/Hindi math...
and anyhow, after arrival of Islam in India, there was no significant Mathematical contribution from Indian side....( apart from Ramanujan) till now, who is product of Indian system...
Kul...
India/Bharat was known to middle east as Hindi/Hind. So, there is no harm in referring to Indian math as Hindu/Hindi math...
and anyhow, after arrival of Islam in India, there was no significant Mathematical contribution from Indian side....( apart from Ramanujan) till now, who is product of Indian system...
#263 Posted by tahir on June 18, 2009 10:02:31 am
Thanks Fouz,
I'm glad you read the whole of #251; so did Chowq Stuffed who stuffed themselves quite nicely with its contents.
Long live the Chowq 'bakri' that chews up readable material.
Aaaaaaaaaa.....bakri.............!!!!!!!!
I'm glad you read the whole of #251; so did Chowq Stuffed who stuffed themselves quite nicely with its contents.
Long live the Chowq 'bakri' that chews up readable material.
Aaaaaaaaaa.....bakri.............!!!!!!!!
#262 Posted by VRV on June 18, 2009 8:54:16 am
260, Swapna, If u have actually followed the terrorist incidents live then u'd know what I am saying. There's a sense of the camaraderie btw Pandits & their Muslim counterparts in Kashmir. Pakistan tried to break it and eject Pandits from the Valley.
I saw video footage of Muslims sobbing for the fallen Pandits. They also conducted rituals and carried the dead to funerals.
I saw video footage of Muslims sobbing for the fallen Pandits. They also conducted rituals and carried the dead to funerals.
#261 Posted by major on June 18, 2009 8:53:14 am
swapna is right...
VRV - read up on early days of kashmir jihad and systematic campaign against from pundits... pakis joined the party later...
VRV - read up on early days of kashmir jihad and systematic campaign against from pundits... pakis joined the party later...
#260 Posted by swapnavasavdutta on June 18, 2009 8:39:06 am
VRV,
That is a myth. Even if they are sentimental, that is because Pandits now do not live there.
This is same as Pakistanis or native villagers of
MM Singh being sentimental when he visits there.
If MM Singh was living there as a Sikh, he would
have been either killed by now or hounded out or converted.
Do not fall for the sentimentality, it is just a facade.
That is a myth. Even if they are sentimental, that is because Pandits now do not live there.
This is same as Pakistanis or native villagers of
MM Singh being sentimental when he visits there.
If MM Singh was living there as a Sikh, he would
have been either killed by now or hounded out or converted.
Do not fall for the sentimentality, it is just a facade.
#259 Posted by VRV on June 18, 2009 8:10:57 am
'....those are 250K hindu pandits who have been exterminated from kashmir by muslims of kashmir...'
Major,
The fact is that native Kashmiri Muslims are sentimental abt Kashmiri Hindu pundits but the non-resident ghajis from Pakistan killed & scared Pandits.
That was ethnic cleansing.
Major,
The fact is that native Kashmiri Muslims are sentimental abt Kashmiri Hindu pundits but the non-resident ghajis from Pakistan killed & scared Pandits.
That was ethnic cleansing.
#258 Posted by major on June 18, 2009 7:25:41 am
Re: # 257
Yep, like arjun says - pakis live in their own alternative world called PakiWorld where muslims are model citizens of the world and everybody else are saitans...
Pakiland and most other muslim nations where bulk of 1.5 billion muslims live are undemocratic and oppressive to their citizens... forget the condition of non-muslim minorities in these countries, there are almost none - muslims themselves can not live in harmony with each other... massacres, bombings, ethnic conflicts are rampant and ongoing...
these people kill each other with abandon... Sunnis kill shias, Turks kill Kurds, Iraqis kill Kurds, Arabs kill africans in darfur.... punjabis in pakiland kill mohajirs, bengalis, balochis and now even pathans...
And yet these pakis come here and cry RR on indian muslims and kashmiris and what not... LOL
Yep, like arjun says - pakis live in their own alternative world called PakiWorld where muslims are model citizens of the world and everybody else are saitans...
Pakiland and most other muslim nations where bulk of 1.5 billion muslims live are undemocratic and oppressive to their citizens... forget the condition of non-muslim minorities in these countries, there are almost none - muslims themselves can not live in harmony with each other... massacres, bombings, ethnic conflicts are rampant and ongoing...
these people kill each other with abandon... Sunnis kill shias, Turks kill Kurds, Iraqis kill Kurds, Arabs kill africans in darfur.... punjabis in pakiland kill mohajirs, bengalis, balochis and now even pathans...
And yet these pakis come here and cry RR on indian muslims and kashmiris and what not... LOL
#257 Posted by swapnavasavdutta on June 18, 2009 5:55:53 am
major #256, harish_hyd #254
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answers except repeating the same old same old
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Yes, I do not think this GirlFriend will have any
answers except repeating the same old same old
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#256 Posted by major on June 18, 2009 4:42:50 am
Re: # 247 GF
you don't have to rattle off five pages of stats and gazzilion of internet links on kashmir to make your point... I asked you before and asked you again, if things are so bad in kashmir - where are the refugees and IDPs?
Actually, there are IDPs - those are 250K hindu pandits who have been exterminated from kashmir by muslims of kashmir... But I didn't see a single line about them in your entire five pages of whining...
Like I said - this is a war, a jihad that has been thrust upon us by muslims and pakis... we didn't start this war but we will finish this - one way or other... We will continue to be restrained as we have been so far... we will take as much caution as possible, as we have done so far... we will take some remedial action wherever possible - prosecuting some offenders in case of unnecessary sexual violence...
But despite all that - it ain't going to be pretty, we promise you that much...
you don't have to rattle off five pages of stats and gazzilion of internet links on kashmir to make your point... I asked you before and asked you again, if things are so bad in kashmir - where are the refugees and IDPs?
Actually, there are IDPs - those are 250K hindu pandits who have been exterminated from kashmir by muslims of kashmir... But I didn't see a single line about them in your entire five pages of whining...
Like I said - this is a war, a jihad that has been thrust upon us by muslims and pakis... we didn't start this war but we will finish this - one way or other... We will continue to be restrained as we have been so far... we will take as much caution as possible, as we have done so far... we will take some remedial action wherever possible - prosecuting some offenders in case of unnecessary sexual violence...
But despite all that - it ain't going to be pretty, we promise you that much...
#255 Posted by Fouz on June 18, 2009 12:55:32 am
The only interact worth reading was that of tahir #251. Pay attention all of you who are bigots to one another and ye shall learn something from it.
#254 Posted by harish_hyd on June 17, 2009 11:39:41 pm
I asked you to show me one instance where a guy, despite his talent, couldn't make it because of his religious beliefs. You have the example of Dr. Abdus Salam, a true talent and an even greater patriot, in Pakistan. I just asked you to point to a similar example in India.
#253 Posted by harish_hyd on June 17, 2009 11:26:19 pm
#252 by Goldfinger
I know it I have lived there the past 24 years...although even there perfect inter-racial harmony doesn't exist, but its way better than the Subcontinent...where small minded people hate others who believe differently, look differently or come from a different creed, caste or race...in short in the subcontinent primitiveness abounds.
GF yaar, this is neither about the US nor the subcontinent; this is about how you used a very broad brush to come to a very convenient conclusion. Sure, there are problems galore, but generalizing and stereotyping people you know nothing about (and this applies to people on both sides of the Radcliffe line) is not exactly the right way to understand the problems that ail us or the solutions that will help make things better.
I know it I have lived there the past 24 years...although even there perfect inter-racial harmony doesn't exist, but its way better than the Subcontinent...where small minded people hate others who believe differently, look differently or come from a different creed, caste or race...in short in the subcontinent primitiveness abounds.
GF yaar, this is neither about the US nor the subcontinent; this is about how you used a very broad brush to come to a very convenient conclusion. Sure, there are problems galore, but generalizing and stereotyping people you know nothing about (and this applies to people on both sides of the Radcliffe line) is not exactly the right way to understand the problems that ail us or the solutions that will help make things better.
#252 Posted by Goldfinger on June 17, 2009 10:07:33 pm
Re: # 250
harish...actually I know what I'm talking about...your example of US is very inappropriate, because US clearly is not Indo-Pak...I know it I have lived there the past 24 years...although even there perfect inter-racial harmony doesn't exist, but its way better than the Subcontinent...where small minded people hate others who believe differently, look differently or come from a different creed, caste or race...in short in the subcontinent primitiveness abounds.
harish...actually I know what I'm talking about...your example of US is very inappropriate, because US clearly is not Indo-Pak...I know it I have lived there the past 24 years...although even there perfect inter-racial harmony doesn't exist, but its way better than the Subcontinent...where small minded people hate others who believe differently, look differently or come from a different creed, caste or race...in short in the subcontinent primitiveness abounds.
#251 Posted by tahir on June 17, 2009 9:52:42 pm
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#250 Posted by harish_hyd on June 17, 2009 9:21:13 pm
#249 by Goldfinger
Yaar GF, if that's how you judge things, then anything can happen anywhere. One could even argue that if the Bush administration start the war on terror (seen by most Muslims as a war against them), then it is easily possible that Muslims could be discriminated against in the US. But most Muslims know they're more likely to be treated fairly in the US without prejudice towards their religion than anywhere else, even in the best-administered Muslim countries.
Yaar GF, if that's how you judge things, then anything can happen anywhere. One could even argue that if the Bush administration start the war on terror (seen by most Muslims as a war against them), then it is easily possible that Muslims could be discriminated against in the US. But most Muslims know they're more likely to be treated fairly in the US without prejudice towards their religion than anywhere else, even in the best-administered Muslim countries.
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