Hindu Mathematics – How Original Was It?

tahmed32

As you don't like masadi. Let me give you an example on him.

Here was this comment by Rashid Malik:
Working poor are looked down upon in India and Pakistan.
There is a lack of compassion towards the weak and vulnerable. Crowd mentality in India and Pakistan is lethal. The self-righteous fundamentalists/fascists have enough clout to become the judge and the executioner.

To which Masadi responded:
they are looked down upon because of social precident in a society that is feudal in outlook whose feudalism is maintained by the West through avenues I mentioned. When forces greater than those for change are keeping a nation backward then it will remain backward and its working class will be looked down upon- if you lose sight of the real causes your lamenting any lamenting becomes worthless...

Forget western anathema and just look at masadi's remark 'society that is feudal in outlook whose feudalism is maintained.. .. When forces greater than those for change are keeping a nation backward then it will remain backward and its working class will be looked down upon' as primary cause.

Sheer brilliance at least for awam like me.

Unfortunately Masadi is typical of un Indians and pakistanese alike who see only gods and demons. Not just humans in our past (..and present)who made errors and brilliant moves too. As history and science is labelled and hijacked to serve the cause of religions. But so are are our prophets etc.. who used religion to take the society to reform or to a trip to hell.

Re: # 205

Tahmed - With due respect, I see Riaz Haq and Laddu in the same league. There's not much difference between the two.

I usually avoid replying to talk to either of them. Both believe in "even if your shirt is torn, it is made all right by pointing out that the other man’s fly is open. Unanswerable logic. Mends the shirt quickly too."

#205 tahmed

I read Laddu's mails systematically because he is quite informed. He seems to be more often reacting to omni-present islamic bully. But otherwise he is quite balanced also.

Surprisingly Masadi, your bête noire, is brilliant often and I con't avoid reading him. Unfortunately in next sentence he becomes repulsive by his western phobia and abusive towards one and all. I dare not take his argumentation forward and support him to avoid being pirated by his vehemence and misunderstood.

(Not the same with you. You are allowed to shout at me as in general you're balanced)

My remark is for majority in general. Indians and Hiduism have also never been short of morons. I've many Hindu friends, and a large number of them are RSS kinds who are very appreciative of Islam for only one thing - its Kattarpana. But the good news is that is what holds others from coming anywhere close to them. You can even see the reaction in a highly mazhabi mahol of UP where BJP and RSS were thrown out when they tried to revisit Ayodhya. Even in Gujrat, Narendra Modi seems to have discarded his past, making many wonder whether he should be hauled in the court now or made prime minister in the way he pulled Gujrat ahead of all states in prosperity. The difference is that to build one highway, he pulled down 200 temples and no Hindu came down in the streets. One muszid gets damaged 20 years ago and it seems as Allah, at least, died making all muslims lose their bearings.

I think it is foolish to compare progress of Pakistani Muslims and Indian Muslims.
Muslims in India have to compete for everything with
Hindus, Sikhs, Christians. In Pakistan, Muslims are granted everything.
If Musharraf was in Indian army, he would have at the most
become Havaldar and Riaz Haq would have been at the most some chaprasi in government department.
That was the reason Pakistan Muslims wanted Pakistan, so
they do not have to compete with Hindus and Sikhs which
are far superior to them in every aspect except regligious
bigtry and hatred.

I mean - it's really rich when pakis talk about condition of muslim lives elsewhere - pakis killed and ravaged millions of their own people who happened to speak a different language... pakis are only "country" where the majority(bengalis) seceded under oppression from the minority...

Worse is that - oppression of muslims in pakiland didn't stop even after that disaster... then came oppression of mohajirs... then masscre of baloch nationalists...

And it continues till date... we have pakis spraying white phospherous on their own kids in Lal Masjid... thousands are being straffed from gunships in tribal areas...

Pakis have killed muslims at home and abroad - thousands of palestinans were killed by Zia's troops....

So pakis - save the outrage... Indian muslims are far better off with bhindoos...

Re: # 210

there is no need to kill the hslf-killed dhimmi slaves.

And none of these paki dhimmi slaves revolted or tried to kill the muslims btw!!

Re: # 210

These temple destructions were organized by all the leaders of political parties and ulemas. These were condoned by the 'intellectual aluni associations'. As usual the police were more than happy to ignore these vandalisms.

Re: # 208

Even if we assume that your data is correct *which I personally doubt), were these temple destructions organized by the leaders of the biggest opposition parties? Were these destruction pre-planned/announced by major religious groups or political parties? Did the police and security forces stand by and allow mobs to go on a rampage? Were these temple destructions followed by nationwide anti-Hindu riots?
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 176 GF
[...though exact figures have to be sorted out...]

here are the exact figures of muslims killed:

muslims killed by pakis:
1 million in Bdesh...
10K in Balochistan...
thousands of mohajirs in karachi
thousands are being killed in tribal areas as we speak...

Muslims killed by Hindus :
2K in gujrat...
30K in kashmir

that's about it... it's a no contest...

Following statistics was given in the Indian Parliament during question and answer session by the external affairs ministry. As usual the biased press coverage on this was minimal and presented merely as a 1-2 inch column length in the middle pages.

After the Dec.6,1992 incident in Ayodhya, India (destruction of the disputed Babri mosque) Anti-Hindu forces in the rest of the world reacted as follows:

Pakistan - 242 temples damaged/ destroyed.

Bangla Desh- 357 temples damaged/ destroyed. Also included among these was the famous Dhakeshwari temple of Dhaka. This temple was first built in 15th century and was NOT a disputed structure.

Britain - 4 temples damaged

Attacks on 56 other temples in rest of the world.

Source - News India Times , March 1993

Alumni WW you cannot take the conditions of Indian Muslims post partition and then conclude from that that a similar condition would have ensued were no partition to take place. Jinnah weakened the Muslims of India by fragmenting them, making one section a slave to the Hindus and the other a slave to the West, a lose lose situation...

TNITC masadi

In # 204 "This hype of using religion by the Washington thugs for political ends does not convince anyone...

Regards #200 "In Indian faiths, we're told not to bring down other faiths as you can always learn something "

are you declaring ladu and other burnt pakoras from india to be outside these indian faiths? or by "indian faiths" you exclude hinduism?

Laddu writes "Thus two independent observations one dated prior to November 1, 1971 and other in January 1972 confirm that Hindu houses in East Pakistan were marked with yellow "H"s"

Do you know what "independant observations" are? First that senator moron sitting in Washington is not an independant observer, he is a partisan observer from far away ranting against Nixon's patronage of the Pakistan Army. The second moron talks about vising those sites long after the Indian Army had already taken over Bangladesh which converts this into a propaganda operation. What the Pakistan Army did in Bangladesh was against the Bengalis not the Hindus, you want to convert it into a Hindu Muslim affair which it was not. This hype of using religion by the Washington thugs does not convince anyone...

TNITC masadi

Re: # 202
The point is that Muslims in Pakistan, not facing systematic discrimination from Hindu majority, have done far better in Pakistan than they would have in a united India.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

OK, go ahead. Be Happy.