She Needs to be Saved

Hiba,
Beautifully written and expressed right from the heart. I was thinking of various candidates until mid-way, your point became apparent. Totally agree with your marvelous analogy and comprehensive complaint. May we all unite to rescue "her."

#31 Posted by hibatanvir

Arey! I want to stay on topic so I repeat. What is the nature of your research and what are your pet peeves?

Re: # 30
I think we're getting a bit of topic. To answer your point, I agree Muslims are flourishing in the West and I'm proud of that. My concern is about the Muslims who are not flourishing....They Need to be Saved ( pun intended)

#29 Posted by hibatanvir

Not to give you a hard time but given that you are from India but never lived there and that you are married to a Pakistani and have interacted with Pakistanis I am assuming in America or is it that you are living in Pakistan. I would just like to know the nature of your research and what your pet peeves are, because as far as I am concerned Islam and Muslims are flourishing in America.

Re: # 26
We need to stop getting tangled in issues of whether my point of view comes from being Indian or Pakistani. I have never lived in India.I've had more interaction with Pakistanis and researched their issues in more depth than most people would have. I speak as a Muslim and my call is for all of us thinking Muslims to dare to think and question what we've been conditioned to believe.

I respect people who have devoted their lives to the study of any cause and I'm not maligning them or their work but I believe that if their study and interpreatations are not encouraging thought and welcoming to debate and discussion, I have a right to question. Just because someone has Alim or Imam in front of their names doesn't mean we can not disagree and bring another point of view to the table. The problems we are in stem from this very fact; We do not allow or encourage critical thinking, questioning or different perspectives. This has bred intolerance, rigidity, and led to intellectual death

Another title for the article, in Urdu, could be -


"Mere Deen ki Izzat Bachao" with the added call to arms


"ISLAM KHATRAY MEIN HAIN !!! "


Good to see English Educated devout muslims in 20th century defending an undefensible philosophy by 7th century wild, illiterate, cruel, brutal, unrepentant, senile, megalomaniac who destroyed lives and nations for 1400 years and counting.

We can rest assured that Taliban and its english speaking apologists are alive and well and hence the agony of their followers will continue on... just as the troubles of the Pure Nation has continued on since its birth...

#18 & #23:

You see this is a problem of point of view. We from Pakistan feel an existential threat to the state and what our way of life should be, whereas you in India are more concerned about meddlesome maulvis who wish to tell you what to do to attain salvation. Problems I am referring to are political and about this world which is entirely different.

16 Posted by tahmed32

the "Sunnah" itself is mullahism

Sunnah is definitely not Mullahism, may be you are referring to Hadith. Quran itself cannot be understood without an intimate knowledge of the history of the time. Islamic historiography is perhaps the finest after earlier Greek and Roman works. The attention these scholars paid to meticulously list out their sources and different versions of the same event is phenomenal. So please do not malign the hard work that these scholars put in.

This is where all the tafseers get their background information about the circumstances and events which were taking place at the time that are referred to in the prophetic revelations.

:D :D :D
People must be thinking you are a troll....otherwise this board should be humming by now.

Or has the Riaz Ul_Haq ibn Zia-ul-haq sapped the energy of of all chowkies :D :D :D



She was pure, as pure as a virgin.
She had poise, she had a unique stature.
At her inception, she was blasphemous. She challenged the evils around her.
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She is my religion; Islam.


and yes, I am Alexander Dumas!

hibatanvir #23:

{{We should challenge anyone who is opposed to allowing free thinking and interpretation of the Quran or Sunnah, individuals who reduce Islam to heaven and hell and who preach and instill dogma.}}

Thank you for your answer. I gather that you consider a mullah to be "anyone who opposes free thinking and interpretation of the Quran and Sunnah, individuals ... who preach and instill dogma."

So does everyone who pleases (or at least, every Muslim), get to interpret the Quran and Sunnah any way they like? Who decides what is a valid interpretation? Can more than one interpretation be simultaneously valid? Do individuals perhaps get to pick and choose which parts of the Quran and Sunnah are to be considered essential, and which can be dismissed as inessential or totally ignored? If you decide to publicise and promote your interpretation of the scripture, can you be considered to be 'preaching and instilling dogma'?

BTW: Full disclosure - I am not a Muslim or a traditional religious believer of any kind.

Re: # 20
My mistake, I shouldn't use words in such a sterotypical fashion. We should challenge anyone who is opposed to allowing free thinking and interpretation of the Quran or Sunnah, individuals who reduce Islam to heaven and hell and who preach and instill dogma. Classic example: At the mosque when the woman next to me tells me my prayer isn't accepted bacause I'm wearing nail paint, instead of saying oh, ok and dismissing it; I'll challenge her and ask her how does she know, and who gives her the right to make that call. It's people like these who walk around with a moral stick in their hand who need to be told "live and let live" and let each person practise religion in whatever manner they choose.

Re: # 21
Their name is Muslim Canadian Congress and their website address:

http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/

Re: # 19
Thank you for the appreciation.
I'd be interested in more information about this Canadian Muslim Association. Could you please provide a website address.
Instead of being a minority of liberal Muslims standing up to the majority of mullahs, I want to reverse the order.
Tough task, but I'm commited.

hibatanvir #13:

{{but I thought sense will prevail over Muslims and they'll put an end to their own misery by taking control from the mullahs}}

To begin with, could you give us a working definition of a mullah. How do you decide whether a particular Muslim is a mullah?

Hi Miss Tanvir
Your passionate plea for your religion was quite moving. I recently found this Canadian Muslim Association website which is quite accomodating of issues like a lady Imam to lead prayers or gay marriages. They have accumulated many articles and reading them was quite an experience for me.

Re: # 17
LOL...My husband is Pakistani so to be a part of his delight when Pakistan won, I joined him.
I'm glad there are people like yourself who understand how we have been plagued by the control tactics of the mullahs.We are in this mess today because we happily gave them control and now have no idea how to control them.

If only more Muslims understood this...
And to respond to the comment someone made about finding out that the Quran and Sunnah support these dogmas, I'd like to say we are supposed and free to interpret the word of God. It's not black and white. There is plenty of gray and God designed it that way so we could and would use our minds, and to be a guide for all times.To the Mullah, there is no gray..it'll all BLACK!
The more I research Islam by myself, the angrier and sadder I feel about how it's been stripped of its beauty, freedom and intellect.