She Needs to be Saved

Ibn Umar reported the Prophet (upon whom be blessings and peace) as saying: "Oh God, bless us in our Syria; O God, bless us in our Yemen." Those present said: "And in our Najd, O Messenger of God!" but he said, "O God, bless us in our Syria; O God, bless us in our Yemen." Those present said, "And in our Najd, O Messenger of God!". Ibn Umar said that he thought that he said on the third occasion: "Earthquakes and dissensions (fitna) are there, and there shall arise the horn of the devil."[14]

http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/20060612.html

'Rape can be by woman too'


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Rape-can-be-by-woman-too-Anu pam/articleshow/4668892.cms#

parthab,why are you so eager to exibit your stupidity??

Nice thoughts. I wish and hope that Pakistan would overcome their current crisis and emerge as a strong democracy and a respectable country on earth. this will automatically improve the image of Islam.

I like your idea...but it should have been written in prose form

Re: # 2
Parthaab,
Calling you stupid would be an insult to stupid people.

Re: # 1

"And Najd, and there shall arise the horn of the devil."
if one pays attention this rising is becoming more evident by the day and night.

Hi, Here is a news piece from well known french paper Le monde of today. It is about framing a new law banning nikab and burqua. Any burqa wearing is compared with a walking prison for women.

I remember there was very strong opposition among our people and more so in India and Pakistan when France passed a law for school going adolescents to refrain from wearing any signs of religious affiliation: including crosses, turban, scarf etc.

How will you react if burqa is totally banned in France? It is essentially our Indo-Pak - Afghan community which is targeted. Will you take it as it is when it upsets our established social practice.



L'idée d'une interdiction du voile intégral progresse en France
18.06.09 | 12h30

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PARIS (Reuters) - L'idée d'une interdiction en France des différentes formes de voile musulman couvrant le corps et le visage a été défendue jeudi par un membre du gouvernement, la secrétaire d'Etat à la Ville Fadela Amara.

Son intervention va plus loin que l'initiative d'une soixantaine de députés qui demandent la création d'une commission d'enquête parlementaire sur ce qu'ils perçoivent comme le développement du port de ce type de vêtement, vu comme une "atteinte aux libertés fondamentales" des femmes.

Le débat relance la question du port du voile en France, pays laïc qui ne reconnaît et ne subventionne aucun culte mais abrite la plus importante communauté de personnes de confession, de culture ou d'origine musulmane en Europe.

"Vous savez ce que je pense du voile, mais alors la burqa c'est encore pire. Ce n'est que l'expression visible et physique des fondamentalistes. Moi, je suis pour l'interdiction", a dit sur France Inter Fadela Amara, ancienne présidente d'une association militant pour l'émancipation des femmes.

Le ministre de l'Education nationale, Xavier Darcos, a abondé dans le même sens, sans prôner explicitement l'interdiction de ce type de vêtement. "Il est hors de question qu'on voie en France des femmes couvertes de la tête aux pieds, en tout cas la République n'a pas à l'encourager (...) la burqa est une oppression", a-t-il dit sur I-télé.

En bémol, le ministre de l'Immigration, Eric Besson, a déclaré qu'à titre personnel il s'opposait à l'interdiction en raison du principe de liberté de conscience. "Toucher à cet équilibre me paraît risqué", a-t-il dit sur France Info.

AMBIGU�TÉ

Les députés impliqués dans l'initiative parlent de burqa, forme particulière de vêtement intégral grillagé au niveau des yeux provenant de l'Afghanistan, et de niqab, une version répandue dans les pays du Golfe laissant les yeux apparents.

Dans l'exposé des motifs de la proposition de résolution demandant une commission d'enquête, qui est désormais soutenue par 63 députés - 48 UMP, sept socialistes, trois communistes, deux Nouveau Centre et trois non inscrits -, André Gerin, député-maire PC de Vénissieux, dans le Rhône, y fait référence.

"Nous sommes aujourd'hui confrontés, dans les quartiers de nos villes, au port par certaines femmes musulmanes de la burqa, voilant et enfermant intégralement le corps et la tête dans de véritables prisons ambulantes ou du niqab qui ne laisse apparaître que les yeux", peut-on y lire.

Le texte n'évoque pas les autres formes de voile couvrant le corps et la tête mais laissant le visage apparent.

Depuis 2004, la France interdit le port à l'école de "signes religieux ostensibles", le voile musulman, la kippa juive, le crucifix ou encore le turban sikh.

L'esprit de cette disposition approuvée à droite comme à gauche était de faire respecter à l'école républicaine le principe de laïcité et d'empêcher le prosélytisme.

Cette loi a été critiquée au niveau européen et dans le monde musulman. Une interdiction extra-scolaire limitée au voile musulman risquerait de se heurter à plusieurs principes fondamentaux, comme la liberté de conscience et de religion.

Des tentatives de certaines entreprises privées d'interdire le port du voile à des employées n'étant pas en contact avec le public ont été déclarées illégales par les tribunaux.

Tout en déplorant le développement en France d'habitudes vestimentaires qui ne relèvent pas selon lui de l'islam, Dalil Boubakeur, recteur de la mosquée de Paris, a estimé mercredi qu'une interdiction contreviendrait à la liberté individuelle.

Thierry Lévêque, édité par Yves Clarisse

This is a unique event in history (atleast in my knowledge) that Islam is personified as a young maiden, fragile and susceptible to the vicissitudes of barbaric hordes. But despite the emotional appeal through beautiful verse and allegories of a damsel in distress we should all be on guard because in its essence it harkens the familiar battle cry of millenniums “Islam khatray mein hey�.

The first two sets of verses refer to the Prophet’s Meccan period when Islam was weak and forced to deal with others who were stronger then herself (using the metaphor of this poem). But then it entirely ignores the Meccan period and beyond of strength of becoming the discriminator, the unjust, the unequal, the exclusive, the dogmatic and blames it all on the poor Taliban. All because the enlightened moderation crowd with their 21st century sensibilities is embarrassed by Islam of yester years. It is not that Islam has changed, it is you who have changed and you don’t have the luxury of reinterpreting Islam or rewriting it like other religions.

The Taliban have challenged and continue to challenge anybody to debate them about their aqaid, their tactics or any of the things that they do and if proven contrary to the teachings of the Quran or the practices of the Prophet they are willing to change them. So please if you have anything why don’t you debate them if not face to face you can do it through the media. The interesting part is that despite this hulabaloo, appeals by West, by all the dictatorships of the Islamic Ummah to their respective sarkari maulvis, no such direct challenge has come up. It is not because they don’t wish to try, maulvis as a group are keen to cut each other down but not in this situation. The reason is quite simple, the Taliban and Al Qaida truly represent what the Quran and Sunnah says, so they just lob accusations from the periphery but never take them on in serious debate or munazira.

#9

"then it entirely ignores the Meccan period and beyond"

Correction: it should read

then it entirely ignores the Medinat period and beyond

Re: # 9

it harkens the familiar battle cry of millenniums “Islam khatray mein hey�.

Exactly! OR THE FAMILIAR THEME, THAT ALL MAIDENS ARE IN DISTRESS!


WAKE UP MALES! SPEAK UP!

bahut der kay baad khyaal aya!!

how come no pakistani wrote such an article after 9/11 - when 3000 people were murdered in the name of Islam?!! how come no one wrote such an article after the taliban entered pakistan? or even after they had over-run swat? only when their own sweet selves were next in line did the self-absorbed elite of pakistan wake up.

anyway, daer aye, durust aye. better late than never.

Re: # 12
I'm not a Pakistani, I'm an Indian Muslim. And wishful thinking on my part, but I thought sense will prevail over Muslims and they'll put an end to their own misery by taking control from the mullahs. The moderates and liberals have distanced themselves by having nothing to do with the religion or mosques and so it's the gullible ones who sit and listen brainlessly to what they're told. I believe if every Muslim challenged the dogmas thrown at us from mullahs and other self claimed righteous person, we'll be taking a step in the right direction. The problem is, most of us sit in our drawing rooms and say " bohath bura karein hai yeh log Islam kay naam mein,yeh log muselman nahee hosukthay" and continue with our fancy meals.Research Islam for yourself, don't give the task to your Imam or molvie.

Re: # 13

Well said Tanvir Sahab.

#13 Posted by hibatanvir

Research Islam for yourself, don't give the task to your Imam or molvie.

Now here is the dilemma, lets say you do research yourself and are shocked to find that all the dogmas that were thrown at you are actually there in the Quran or Sunnah of the Prophet. What would you do then? Would you accept them and submit yourself that it is God’s will or would you have the guts to stand up and say that Islam itself is flawed in this respect.

This my friend is where most of us opt to

“sit in our drawing rooms and say " bohath bura karein hai yeh log Islam kay naam mein,yeh log muselman nahee hosukthay" and continue with our fancy meals�

" lets say you do research yourself and are shocked to find that all the dogmas that were thrown at you are actually there in the Quran or Sunnah of the Prophet."

the "Sunnah" itself is mullahism. this is the standard trick of both the mullahs and of those wishing to demonize islam - i.e. to muddy the waters by tossing in bs with the Quran.