Waziristan Operation is a Faux Pas

pavocavalry#:...your analysis of kargil is interesting.......and more than likely quite accurate.......

a couple of points you may want to add......paf did not participate in kargil.....the army, basically, launched th operation, without having its own air force on board......

......the paf, actually, refused to participate......they said that pakistan did not have the spare parts to carry out an operation like this, and would have to dig into its war time reserves.....

....eventually, due to this, musharraf, got rid of the complete paf high command, and promoted someone quite juior to be the next chief of air staff.....

Re: # 143

Agha Amin...reread my post #138, I said 1849.

almost all pakistani journalists are bought , those who are not are starving and living lives of destitution .trust no pakistani media or channel.they lost their souls in 1958 and many right from 1947. a pathetic lot who go for walk in islamabad cricket ground and get their instructions from intelligence guys.hopeless agencies which failed to detect indian intrusion 35 miles in siachen in 1984.
Agha Amin

jo haq baat kahay woh agent hai ,

jo sar utha kar chalay woh disgruntled hai

jis main ghairat ho woh iss mulk main rehnay kay qabil nahin

main nay aik bangali say poocha :--

aaaap kahan kay rahnay walay hain ?

uss ka jawaaab---- main uss mulk ka rehnay wala hoon jo tum west pakistani logon nay banaya , tum uss mulk ka rehnay wala hai jo hum bangleeon nay banaya
Agha Amin

its a great tragedy of pashtun history that the policy is auranngzebs about pashtuns when he said only a bone can cut a bone and used yusufzais against pashtuns

for many years i sat at justice sajjad ali shahs chambers on zamzama in karachi.an intelligence bureau officer was also our companion.

one day i asked him whats ur organisations job ?

he said to make one tribe fight another in sindh balochistan and frontier.

now he is a very senior officer and a very upright man
Agha Amin

pavo:

What do you think of this report by hamid mir?
http://www.rediff.com/news/column/2009/jun/22/hamid-mir-double-games-dont- work-in-pakistan.htm

Excerpt:
"Not a single US drone has fired on Baitullah Mehsud and that is the reason many people say that Baitullah is an American agent and US is actually playing a double game with Pakistan. Many in US think otherwise. They accuse that Pakistan is playing a double game by supporting a militant like Qari Zainuddin Mehsud who is pro-Pakistan but anti-US.

Qari Zainuddin killed the younger brother of Baitullah Mehsud, Yahya on October 27, 2008 in the Bannu area. In retaliation Baitullah killed a close aide of Qari Zainuddin Muhammad Yousaf on October 29 in the Tank area. More than 95 people have been killed from both sides in last one year. Now Qari Zainuddin has become an ally of the Pakistani security forces against Baitullah Mehsud. He contacted many powerful tribal elders of the Mehsud area recently but most of them are reluctant to cooperate. These tribal elders see no difference between Baitullah and Zainuddin. They say that both are criminals. They fear that Pakistani establishment first used Baitullah against Abdullah, now they are using Zainuddin against Baituallah and ultimately both will be killed. They also fear that Qari Hussain will replace Baitullah as the new commander of the Taliban and Qari Hussain is more dangerous than Baitullah because he is the head of suicide squads.

Many tribal elders of Mehsud area were contacted by the political administration of South Wazirastan to seek help for Qari Zainuddin. One tribal elder told an official of the administration "don't fool us, President Zardari is assuring cooperation to NATO and you are asking us to cooperate with a person who is openly saying that go and fight against NATO in Afghanistan."

a tragic phase in peshawars history when minarets of mohabbat khan mosque were used by avitabile to hang his victims.

when the english east india company liberated peshawar in 1846 the mullahs of peshawar praised them as saviours of Allah in khutbas.

we must be correct in historical facts.then khalsa and now the army of the land of the pure.sad is history.
Agha Amin

Pavocavalry:

Yeah yeah, We have read enough about Ranjit Singh and his gallant Sikh warriors. We know now that they ruled over tiny miny Peshawar valley for 15 long years and we are impressed. Now you don't need to write a million pages book in their honour.

technically the east india company defeated the sikhs at sobraon south of sutlej in 1846 .they did not go to peshawar by force ,but technically they started administration as board of control of all punjab less bahawalpur and all settled area NWFP districts on behalf of sikhs
Agha Amin

till 1843 avitabile was governor of sikh peshawar and when the east india company defeated the sikhs in 1847 peshawar was still sikh controlled.from 1846 till 1849 the east india company governed punjab and NWFP in sikh name as board of control.
Agha Amin

punjab and the then frontier was administered in name of sikhs by english east india companys board of control.this arrangement broke when sikhs revolted in 1848 against the board of control
Agha Amin

peshawar was not ruled by sikhs till 1839 but till 1849 mr gold finger .note that dost mohammad khan sent his son sardar akram khan with 5,000 horse to aid the sikhs in second sikh war of 1848-49 on the condition that sikhs will restore peshawar back to afghans.sardar akram khan avoided combat and bolted to kabul after sikhs were defeated at gujrat in 1849.


Agha Amin

its a tragedy of history that maulana ghulam rasul mehr a punjabi with a stronf anti pashtun bias blamed pashtuns in his book on syed ahmad shaheed.the fact is that the syeds of pir baba gave sanctuary to the followers of syed who included many hindustani pathans from doab rohail khand and oudh.one such family lives in pohan colony north of mardan on malakand road
Agha Amin

Army in an encircling movement via the Ambela Pass, but in so doing aroused the hostility of the Bunerwal tribe.

One of several bitter actions was fought on 30 October, when tribesmen succeeded in capturing the Crag Piquet, a British post overlooking the Pass, killing 60 soldiers. Lieutenant Pitcher of the 4th Punjab Regiment and Lieutenant Fosbery of the 4th Bengal Regiment led the counterattack up a steep and narrow path.

Fosbery was wounded by a boulder hurled from above, but Pitcher was the first man to reach the top, and succeeded in driving the enemy from their position. Both officers were awarded the Victoria Cross. The Bunerwal were eventually persuaded by their own casualties to help destroy the "Hindustani Fanatics", whose base at Malka was destroyed on 22 December.


Agha Amin

#136
Your cliche-ridden post is not worth answering but I must say here that so much obsession with Afghans is unhealthy for lily-livered Punjabi men.

gold finger , do note for your future guidance that many hindustani fanatics withdrew to bunner and established themselves at sittana,malka and pir baba.such was their influence that the brits were forced to launch an expedition against them in 1863,the ambeyla expedition and this was the expedition in which the brits suffered one of the maximum casualties in frontier history.included in these was my maternal great great grand fathers brother sultan mohammad khan a shinwari from dur baba in ningrahar whose family had settled in sikandara rao in aligarh district as auxillaries of nawab bangash of farkhabad in modern india.

its a strange coincidence that a great grand son of dost mohammad khan was killed at daggar few days back.

may Allah bless his soul.
Agha Amin