Waziristan Operation is a Faux Pas

Further...the Sikhs, under the able leadership of Ranjit Singh, for a brief time took control of Peshawar...and one of their European Generals Avitabile (Avitabla to Sikhs) ruled like a particular tyrant over there...but it was an uneasy sojourn for the Sikhs...in 1820s out of India came Syed Ahmed Shah Barelvi, who was a prototype of the present day talibs...however he and his followers, which included sundry tribal Pathans, inflicted defeats upon the Sikhs in 1826, after setting up his headquarters in Nowshera...eventually the talibs recaptured all of the areas up to Peshawar from the Sikhs...however in 1831 when Syed Ahmed Shah Barelvi began messing with the peoples personal affairs, they decided to rise against him...thus on a predetermined signal of a fire on a hill all the tribes were to rise against him and his Hindustani fanatics, and drive them out of the region...the Barelvi escaped to Balakot, where the Sikhs pounced on him, and he along with his five or six hundred followers were killed in a last desperate fight...the Sikhs ruled over Peshawar from about 1834 to 1849...an ignominious period of Peshawar's history...in the continuous strife in the region, Ranjit Singh's intrepid and beloved general, Hari Singh Nalwa was killed by a 14 year old boy in 1837...the spot near the University of Peshawar, is still famous as the Burj Hari Singh.

good summing up mohtaram bulleya sahib,however one correction.the english east india company did not capture anything from pashtuns other than pishin and zhob from loralai from afghanistan.quetta was baloch and peshawar bannu mardan charsadda DI Khan Bannu and till present boundaries of FATA had already been conquered by great ranjit singh by 1827.the english company just conquered these areas from the sikhs.and we must remember that afghanistans major part was a hind ruled country till around 1000
Agha Amin

...i have never quite figured out the logic of using terms like, "duped" as a cause of detoriation......if someone gets duped into something, shouldn't they, themselves, or at least their leadership, carry some of the blame...

....it keeps reminding me of urstruly saying he was, "duped," into coming to america.....if someone is duped, is it their fault, or the fault of the person duping them......

......at some point, pathans will have to set up some sort of a functional society and social system....be they in afgahnsitan, fata or nwfp......the traditional values will need to change, as much of them, however glorified, are, actually, counterproductive and negative....

.....the notion of weapons being the jewelry of pathans is ridiculous......it is glorified as if it is something great.....i meet pathans all over uae and the middle east.......mostly from fata and nearby areas....apparently, they have no issues with getting rid of this jewelry....

....similary, this notion of hospitality, even to criminals and terrorists is strange also......as is the tradition of revenge at all costs.....

....none of these will allow any social system to fit into the present-day......these are archaic tribal customs, which should be looked down upon and not encouraged as some sort of an honorable trait....

as is the treatment of women in these areas......

......there are many evils in the region.....including foreign occupations etc.......some are local also.....and one of them is the taliban.......doesn't matter what they are doing, they are an evil.......even if they have a correct cause, somewhere, their whole approach to treatment of people around them is evil.......while a cause of their's can be gloried, they, themselves cannot be......

freedom struggles don't involve hoodlums taking over, othwerise, peaceful cities like swat, and handing people from poles at the main chowk......

the pushtun society will need a social overhaul......this can only come through, internally; not externally......and step one will be to not rely on weaponry as the means of negotiation......and not allowing themselves to be, "duped."

......shahid afridi is becoming a good cricket player, not because he can hit sixes.....but because he has stopped hitting sixes.....he is, now, relying on nuances of spin bowling, and behaving in a less eratic and more mature manner......glorification of his past eraticism hindered his growth......same is the case with pathans.......glorification of weapons, misguided honor etc. is hindering them....not helping them.....

the myth of pathans never being conquered is wrong also.......much of pakistan, today, was conquered from pathans by very young british soldiers......as is much of the myth of honor......quite a few polical financial transactions regularly take place amongst pathans.......

......there needs to be a cultural overhaul from tribal honor and violence to a legal framework, with social acceptance of women etc.....shooting your enemy in revenge is not honorable......nor is keeping your sister locked up in a burqa.......

......obviously, pathans, recently, have been at the receving end, of a lot of political manipulations......however, in the end, one has to pull one's self up and cannot keep blaming others......

Indeed. I am very happy there is a fundamental difference between you and I.

I am very happy with my life. You are full of bile and bitterness. You are also too stupid to realize that playing the same tune over and over again makes you a one trick pony.

Hey, never mind me. Carry on. You are entertainment dude :) It will be nice seeing you unravel.

Re: # 133
I do not hurl insults nor engage in personal attacks on any one. I deal with the issues as I see them and offer my data , arguments and commentary. You are free to challenge or ignore what I have to say, but you choose to personally attack me in the most vicious way. That's the difference between you and I.

I'll leave it to you to reflect on the folly of your ways.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

#131

Interesting. It certainly appears that you *WERE* a part of that team that designed the 80386. That *IS* a stupendous achievement and you have my sincere congratulations and utmost respect and admiration *for that achievement*.

However, it appears you have become a rotten individual since then. I find it extremely hard to believe that for a person with such a scientific training and working in a team that did not compromise in their pursuit of excellence and truth, you have developed such a warped mind.

Please understand, it is not about exposing the warts of Inida, they are there for all to see. It is the following:

1. Wilful twisting of truth to suit one's viewpoint.
2. Complete lack of balance. Quoting selectively.
3. Indulging in deflection.
4. Hiding behind published litrature regarless of how questionable the data is.

All of the above points to a person who is not interested in pursuit of truth. It points to a con-man and a person who is willing to practice deception at the drop of a hat. In other words, man with no class.

Forget explaining anything to me..look at the positions that you have taken and reflect -- if you still have the ability -- as to why you have taken the positions you have taken.

At this moment -- none of your past achievements make an iota of difference to my current opinion of you. My current opinion is based completely on your interactions at Chowk.

Not that you asked, but please, stop, take a deep breath and start over. This time do it right.

Re: # 128
So when you cited the already-debunked Hirsch story about Cheney's death squads killing BB, that was a primary source?
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 123

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2311955,00.asp

http://www.nytimes .com/1988/11/15/science/personal-computers-honoring-techinical-merit.html

htt p://enc.slider.com/Enc/Intel_80386

http://infao5501.ag5.mpi-sb.mpg.de:8080/to px/archive?link=Wikipedia-Lip6-2/15070.xml&style
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 128

Just wanted to set the record straight...thats all...rather than to rattle off skewed statements for the benefit of arriving at skewed conclusions.

daily aousaf and other news sources:--

Senior al Qaeda and Afghan Taliban leaders are reported to have met with Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud to advise him to move his group's operations into Afghanistan and halt attacks against the Pakistani state.

Several meetings were said to have been held last week after an 11-man delegation of al Qaeda and Taliban heavy hitters arrived in Waziristan to deliver a request from Mullah Omar, the Amir al Mumineen, or the leader of the faithful in Pakistan and Afghanistan, according to a report in The Nation.

The Taliban dispatched Sirajuddin Haqqani, the powerful military commander of the Haqqani Network, and Abdul Hakeem Sharaee and Mir Ahmad Jan Hashemi, two senior deputies of Mullah Abdullah Zakir, the Taliban's senior-most military commander in southern Afghanistan who was released from Guantanamo Bay.

Al Qaeda sent Abu Yahya Al Libi, one of al Qaeda's senior ideologues and a representative of the religious committee, and Abdul Haq Turkistani, the leader of the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Party, an al Qaeda-linked group that is made up of Uighurs who fight the Chinese government. Abdul Haq serves on al Qaeda's Shura Majlis, or executive council.

The joint Taliban and al Qaeda delegation reportedly advised Baitullah to halt the Pakistani Taliban's attacks against the military and government and energy in Afghanistan. The leaders believe Baitullah's terror attacks against the Pakistani state are putting undue pressure on the Taliban in both Pakistan and Afghanistan and threaten to damage the overall Taliban movement.

The Taliban and al Qaeda leadership are concerned that even a limited Pakistani military offensive in the tribal areas will put their training camps and safe houses throughout the border regions at risk as the Afghan Taliban is gearing up for a major fight with Coalition and Afghan.

Baitullah was reportedly advised to dodge the nascent Pakistani Army offensive in South Waziristan and move the bulk of his forces into Afghanistan to carry out attacks against Afghan and Coalition forces.

The Taliban and al Qaeda delegation was also reported to have advised North Waziristan Taliban leader Hafiz Gul Bahadar to provide safe passage for Baitullah and his Taliban army.

Baitullah is said to have rejected the request from Mullah Omar, responding, "Mullah Omar is our Amir but like Afghanistan, they [the Pakistani Taliban] are determined to continue resistance in Pakistan."

Baitullah is also met with the shura of the United Mujahideen Council, the alliance with South Waziristan Taliban warlord Mullah Nazir and powerful North Waziristan leader Hafiz Gul Bahadar. Nazir, who is being pressured by the Pakistani government to sit out the operation against Baitullah, is said to have not attended, according to the Islamabad Ausaf, a pro-jihadi Urdu-language newspaper. Bahadar offered Baitullah safe passage through to Afghanistan, as advised by the al Qaeda and Taliban delegation.



Agha Amin

all these sources are secondary sources.none lived in delhi in abdalis time.mountstuart elphinstone was a governor of bombay who lived in bombay and was born 9 years after ahmad shahs death.

you need to be taught the basics of research.you dont know the primacy of primary source over secondary sources.good cosmetic stuff that you can produce for a forum of layman non specialists like chowk.

cheers man .you have a long way to go in learning.
Agha Amin

Mountstuart Elphinstone, An Account Of The Kingdom Of Caubul.

Re: # 125

The author said : “While describing the historic events I shall only quote and refer to non-Afghan writers and scholars to have an unbiased view of the events.�

Cited are:
1. (Henry Priestly, “Inhabitants of Afghanistan� p- 25.)
2. (Denzil Ibbetson, “Tribes and Castes of the Punjab" Vol-II & III).
3. Rita Joshi “The Role of Afghan Nobles during the Reign of Jahangir�
4. (S M Lateef, “History of the Punjab�, 1891, p-194)
5. (Mir Hussain Ali Khan Kirmani, “History of Tipu Sultan�, 1864, translated by Colonel W. Miles, p-182)
6. “Tarikh-i-Ahmadi�, as quoted by S M Lateef. The Sikhs suffered 30,000 killed.
7. Captain Murray, it did not exceed 12,000.
8. Rai Kanhia Lal, the Sikhs killed numbered about 24,000 men
9. Sir John Malcolm, the Sikhs lost more than 24,000 men.
10. Arjan Das Malik, places the Sikh dead at 25000.
11. (See S. M. Lateef, “History of the Punjab�, 1891, p- 285-6).
12. Syed Altaf Ali Brelvi, Life of Hafiz Rahmat Khan p-108-9
13. (Lieutenant General Sir G. Macmunn, “Afghanistan –From Darius to Amanullah, p-70.)
14. Abdul Karim Alvi,
15. Mountstuart Elphinston

mallesson and all other cited are secondary sources.

sources that i have cited are primary sources.


Agha Amin

mallesson and all other cited are secondary sources.

sources that i have cited are primary sources.


Agha Amin

#120

Here is what Intel says about the 80386...

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/bios/crawford.htm

John H. Crawford
Intel Fellow, Digital Enterprise Group
Computer Architect
INTEL CORPORATION

John Crawford is an Intel Fellow, Digital Enterprise Group, and sets the architectural direction for emerging power and reliability technologies for future Intel® Processor Server platforms.

When Crawford joined Intel as a new college graduate in 1977, he worked as a software engineer developing software tools for Intel's 8086 processor; including the code generation phase of Intel's Pascal compiler for the 8086.

In 1982, he became the Chief Architect for the Intel386™ microprocessor. He was responsible for defining the company's 32-bit architectural extensions to the already successful 8086/186/286 16-bit product line. In this capacity, he set the architectural direction and later participated in the design of the processor by leading the microprogram development and test program generation. Crawford made similar contributions as Chief Architect of the Intel486™ processor. Crawford co-managed the design of the Pentium® processor up through a successful product launch in 1993.

Crawford headed the joint Architecture Research with Hewlett-Packard that developed the Itanium family architecture, Intel's 64-bit Enterprise product line. He has been involved with the Itanium family of products since its inception in 1994.

In 1995, Crawford received the ACM/IEEE Eckert-Mauchly Award for contributions to computer and digital systems architecture. Crawford received the IEEE Ernst Weber Engineering Leadership Recognition in June 1997. He was elected to the National Academy of Engineering in 2002.

Crawford received a bachelor's degree in Computer Science from Brown University in 1975, and a master's degree in Computer Science from the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, in 1977. Crawford holds 23 patents.

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We will now see Riaz warming up at the nets. He has a LOT of spinning to do....Anyway here is what the PuffedUP one has to say about himself

http://www.pakalumni.com/profile/riazul

"I was recognized as “Person of the Year� by PC Magazine for my contribution to 80386 program."