Waziristan Operation is a Faux Pas

Thanks for your effort to elaborate the past and ponder about future.
It appears american's guiding strategy used in Iraq of useing tribal fatricide.( It is my feeling American's are finding excuse to get out declaring victory and leave mess and once that happens Iraq will disintegrate )
From todays head lines
" Rival commander wants Baitullah eliminated now
ISLAMABAD: Qari Zainuddin, a rival commander of Tehrik-e-Taliban Chief Baitullah Mehsud, on Wednesday accused the TTP chief of having links with India and Israel. He acted against Islam as well as the country"
If this way to act will backfire very slowly as fatricide will lead to civil war.
Already in AFpak area is pakitan is very hated as Pakistan planned and destroyed Afghanistan along with Amercans. This cruel ways and short cuts for American cash felt fine but such bad immoral deeds take time to get poisonous fruits.
Worrying part all other ethinic groups consider correctly the pakistani state is reason of their constant misery.
There is real danger of 41 million can get united and kick American stooges and Peshawar and Quetta will slip in no time.
Places where wise human do not go in daylight, fools venture even in dark of night. Once American leave all of western Pakistan will ungovernable more likely.
Once American godfathers vacate place being too hot then Pakistani "intelluctuals" will face the music. It has possibility of what happened to Cambodia.
You are right nothing is inevitable but stupidity, intelluctual laziness and love of gold seems loose thinking is inevitable.
Thanks for taking efforts , I personally appreciate you work ( we have here lots of cheap hatred and stupidity)
A.M.

thanks my dear brother madani sahib.

what did the so called naseerullah babar achieve in karachi ? after the so called operation MQM still came back in elections ?

what did army achieve in 1971 ?

what did army achieve in balochistan ?

its a tragedy that the pashtoons who fought the brits and for pakistan are being killed like they are some beasts ?


Agha Amin

Re: # 1
Hullo Mr. Ahmad Madani
Iam curious about your observations. Iraq could break after the Americans leave, you say. Are you sure that the shias and sunnis cannot co-exist in that country? Do you think Americans would not mind their conquest after they have withdrawn militarily?

Mr. Amin
Peshawar was ruled by Ranjit Singh until 1839. Then Pathan razakaars were sent into Kashmir in 1947. Khan Abdul Qayyum Khan became the darling of Pakistan and Bacha Khan and his family was exiled. So, please tell me about this punjabi-pashtoon alliance. How long did the Mufti Mahmud/NAP government last? From my observation of Pakistan, all provinces have complaints against Punjab. It used to be the muhajirs in the early days of Pakistan that allied with Punjab but they became unnecessary after few years. How could you say that Baitullah Mehsud is intellectually superior among Pashtuns? Do you really think he is smarter than Asfandyar or Afrasiab?

If they can live happily in UK and usa they can do that here and mostly doing.
At same time Shia Imamburghas are normal targets, shia doctors in Karachi were killed systimatically.You know in northern tribal areas what happens in Hangu , Shias are terrified. Every year in many parts of country " Moharam and procession and mornings " are considerd provocative and regular sensetive areas declared and military shows prescence by :Flag Marches". If this is normal then it is normal and fine. One group is minority puts fear in their mind and they "behave"is truth. Every thing is not well in state of pakistan even after American micromanagement we need another management ?
More fear is fragmentation along ethinic lines as has happened in Sindh or as Pathans control Quetta ( similar to hindustani muslim control in Karachi).Native have anger and anguish. That is real faultline not Shia Sunni Business like iraq.
This is my feeling , I may be totally wrong.

peshawar bannu kohat di khan all were ruled by sikhs till 1849 when the english east india company liberated the pashtuns and the punjabi muslims.just like it liberated the muslims of delhi from the marathas in 1803.

the ANP has failed the pashtuns as well brought out by juma khan sufi in his biography of bacha khan published by vanguard.

the advice is to punjabis as punjabis will be the losers.baitullah whatever he is is equal in status to mir wais hotaki and khushal khan and ahmad shah durrani.
Agha Amin

Re: # 5
Your fear of Pakistan breaking along ethnic lines is well grounded. Budget 2009-10 is a clear example that the military and the elite(mostly feudal lords) are playing games for money and they do not have their full attention on keeping the country together.

Re: # 6
I am not sure if Baitullah has the power that you attribute to him but those who disrespected Rahman Baba's grave do not belong in the company of the brave and the great.

Re: # 2 Major Sahib General Sahib Killed Hindustani Muslims on orders of PPP leaders including mrs Bhutto.
Tikka, Yahyya killed their "low" class bengalis brothers and when they started raping mothers and sisters bengalis went to kafirs for help and they could not understand this attitude. Bengalis had problems "attitude" problems.
THen they recently quite "docile" old baluchi leader and Musharaff boasted it will be different its will be different they will not know who they blasted.

There is common thread no justice or prosecution of criminals. People are nothing just numbers.
This criminality has no limits. Same thing will happen people will be slaughtered. This only country in world where crimilas , murders are cheered and praised and people are fan of them.
There is even criminal mind poisoning. In Karachi in 1971 when news started coming army is raping bengali women " High class women circle" of Karachi joked as race improvement program.
Otherwise very educated people like YLH still do not justify but condone and and demagnify the crimes of army saying "only" 100,000 bengalis were killed. The killing was desensitised. So when the millions Afghans were killed they just killed Barbarians. We have taught in schools lots of religion but morality was not part of it.
We have "animal Farm " here as Aptly described in 1984 by George Orwell.
I do not even talk much on such subjects as If I can not speak truth I do not want to lie.

There is loss of morality on ground. People have lost courage. Nobody in country ( all big writers and leaders intelluctual talkative people) say even once let us clean system and try the criminals who have killed hundreds of thousands of people, helpless , Bengalis, afghans, Mohajirs and Baloachis. They never say they are sorry( words are cheap), Musharaff said about genocide of bengalis let us forget and forgive. Great philosophy and moral lessons. One should forgive but not forget. Do you think any of these criminals are going to be hanged ? No they are praised that is real situation.
Pathans are sufferers for sure specially citizens of A.stan but some times their leadersship cries for justice with others during day but at night they attend party with army punjabi buddies. Awam is also wrong when they accept and acquiesce the criminals as leaders, teachers, preachers,professors.Actually majority province ethinic history is criminal and they have sided with suppression freedom and always have acted as sword of oppressors and their poet WaRIS sHAH CRIES AND CURSES THEM. But they are too dumb and corroup to improve, they can not be good rulers of other provinces.
If I become education minister to reduce criminality and falsehood will discard so called pakistan studies, regious indoctorination and force therm to study your few books and that can be far better moral teaching than all hate mongering and remembering. You have done monumental work , you have understood the under current but you are unfortunate for you are born in wrong country and they will not value your work. I am sorry to tell you to enjoy culture one should be cultured , to appreciate you work needs depth in atleast in some serious art or science. Most here are educated means it just making money and diatribe, bad words and hate and pure hate.
Good day , please accept my respects.

I am sorry but I don't see this as Pushtoon vs Punjabi thing.

What I see is that the Pushtoons in major cities are the biggest victims of the Taliban and other Pushtoon militants who hide in tribal areas and strike regularly in major cities of NWFP and elsewhere. So a lot of it is really Pushtoon-on-Pushtoon violence.

Both NWFP and Pakistani govt have tried to negotiate peace with them to no avail. While I am all for talks, I don't see how any talks are likely to succeed in bringing durable peace.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Agha Sahib: You have started an interesting and timely topic and reading your writing I get the feeling that you admire defunct leftist rulers of Kabul. This may color your thinking.
I grew up in Lahore and I know that even fifty year back there were thousands of well established Pashtun families living there. I worked in Peshawar for couple of years and I had no problems. Let me say that there is no inherent conflict between two people. The real conflict lies in power and the benefits that flow from it. Punjab is easy going in its ways. If Punjab were a monolithic entity, it would claim first right to rule under any system democratic or otherwise. The fact is that some minorities have taken a big chunk of the benefits and they still want more.
For analytical purposes I distinguish between urban and rural Pashtuns. Urban Pashuns understand economics and state politics, while rural tribes are aggressive and set in their traditional ways but they are also subject to lure of money. The issue for Pakistan is to absorb these people in main society without losing stability.
Your suggestion that Pakistan allow border tribes to import duty free is undesirable because it is like saying make smuggling legal. If people want government services taxes have to be paid. I do recognize the need to develop industry and agriculture. In fact Pakistan should include Afghan needs in development planning.
What are your thoughts about Pashtun and non- Pashtun divisions in Afghanistan?

#9 Now a hate monger wants to teach love Pakistani majority...

i have already discussed in great detail the pashtun and non pashtun division here in my ilogs and on my blogs.

the simple fact is that afghanistan in all probability will be divided in pashtun and non pashtun parts once the USA/NATO withdraws
Agha Amin

the tribal pashtuns have substance in resisting all foreign occupiers muslim sikh brit american punjabi etc

the settled area pshtuns are closer to punjabis in education and culture

if the talibans keep ideology as the centrepiece they will take over punjab also


Agha Amin

Agha Amin:

So if the current Pakistani Taliban represent true Pushtoon sentiments then why did they have to kill more than a thousand tribal elders to gain power in FATA?

Why didnt pushtoon nationalists join hands with these guys instead of whining about the clash of Hujra and Jumaat? Have you heard of Afzal Khan lala?

What is your opinion regarding the raising of tribal lashkars against the Taliban? Are those mere punjabi stooges? or they are pushtoons driven by the obligation of badal?

If punjab is the main target then why are Pushtoons in Peshawar and DI Khan bearing the brunt of Baitullah's onslaught? Do you seriously believe that when these suicide bombers head towards Peshawar, they are actually aiming to kill Punjabis? How many Pushtoons have died in these "true pushtoon" initiated suicide bombings compared to Punjabis?

This might come as news to you but Baitullah mahsood is not fighting for Pashtoons, he is fighting for wahabism (take his word for it instead of guessing his motives), to him attock is not a border but a hurdle. He is not driven by pushtoonwali or he wouldnt be beheading jirgas and ordering the uzbeks and punjabis under his command to kill his own mehsuds...

Coming up with alternative explanations is cool, but unbridled abstraction can push one towards that uncool zone.

Re: # 14

Agha Amin,

It is ridiculous that you are trying to compare a known criminal thug like the Mehsud character to some of Pashtun's greatest heroes, like Khushal Khan and Ahmad Shah Abdali...how can somebody who is out to destroy the very fabric of the Pashtun culture represent them? Adam Khan is right...he represents no Pashtuns...As for your observation: "the settled area pashtuns are closer to punjabis in education and culture"...not that there is anything wrong with Punjabis...but I would tend to totally disagree with this fallacy...in 1849 when the Brits came to the Frontier, HW Ballew, a surgeon with the Brit army wrote a very detailed account of the area which is now the region of the sp-called settled Pakhtuns...and his descriptions are every bit of a people who are as tribal and ferocious as any of the other tribes...probably the settled area pashtuns are now a bit more educated having availed a bit more of the opportunities on tap...otherwise except for the dialects they have the same language, tribes, customs, jealousies, sense of honor, pride and vengeful nature...and above all by no stretch of the imagination are mullahs representatives of pashtuns...these talibs are aliens comprising of sundry different nationalities, created first to fight Russians and now out to destroy the Pashtun culture.