Science and Enlightenment: East and West

Re: # 33

You are reluctant christian hesitent to come out in open ....Such cases have been dealt with in many Bengali movies !

Re: # 32

"with spread of Buddhism (which was supposed to be limited within some brahmin and bania circle) all the problem started...Entire social discipline broken down"

And the Islam was not even founded when this self mutilation happened ...LOL kolkata knight rider LOSER

Re: # 24
DM Sb .

If final word is yours ..nothing else


'let my own ethics decide whether or not I should kill an animal for my food.'

NO NEED for
I'll let the health experts tell me whether eating beef or drinking alcohol is good or bad for me and let

Its o.k. to discard science .Mormon forgo Blood transfusion and prefer to die .

In peculiar way science and religion are fraud which ever you prefer to argue for .Miracles and 'studies' are laughable yet they make billions on that notion .

According to Swami Vivekananda, Jesus was ultimate pacifist (close Mahaveera), but the Europeans lead life of Indians of Vedic period...and though Vedas and Vedantas encourages, we practice pacifism and wait for the reward in afterlife or next incarnation....

As per some Indian historian, pacifism started with advent of Buddhism and Jainism (in India)...with spread of Buddhism (which was supposed to be limited within some brahmin and bania circle) all the problem started...Entire social discipline broken down....central asian and arab looters invaded and arab/urdoo culture creeped in...combined effect was deadly (islamic barbarism/narrowness with buddhist pacifism) laid down the perfect way for destruction of Indian supremacy in various field.....
Megasthenes, in his book Indica, described, how Patliputra was way ahead of any city he had seen...Now, it is stinking rathole....

Re: # 23
Science neither opens doors nor sets limits for any one. Science is whatever people want to make it out to be. Some of the most heinous inventions have come from scientists as have some of the most beneficial. Scientists have developed weapons of mass destruction as well as tools of great service to humanity that save lives and sustain human progress to live in peace and harmony.

That's why society needs laws and rules of ethics to harness scientific endeavors. Laws and rules of ethics are often guided by spirituality and morality people learn at an early age to tell the difference between right and wrong.

Societies that reject all spirituality and morality often end up paying a heavy price in terms of social instability, misguided conflicts and economic corruption and great human suffering.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

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hamid writes "...... and unlike most of us, who are still trying to get laid, he has already slept with nine hundred"


You are wrong here as well. Just because a person has a few white girlfriends does not mean he has slept with "nine hundred". This is how slaves of the White Man like you think, for them if a white woman finds a desi man attractive he is the king and be all in that department. Get a life and some self respect.

hamid writes "hashim mian,

...... imran khan is doing what any politician would do - he is is saying what the unwashed massses want to hear ...... and unlike most of us, who are still trying to get laid, he has already slept with nine hundred"

That is where you are wrong as usual. IK is saying what he really belives in which is what makes him a bad politician but a good human being. Know that you miserable excuse for a human being...

the author writes "Behavioral science, beginning with the experiments of Pavlov a hundred years ago, has proven that, in fact, behavior can be easily ‘drilled’ by sufficient repetition and motivation"

Einstein pavlov experimented with doggies. People are not doggies, they have reflexivity which the doggies lack. You cannot conclude from natural reflexes to human reflexivity but psychiatrists are ignramuses so I shouldn't expect them to know any better. The Khan is our sher, baaqi is heer pheyr, know that for sure. That said the family is a product of the economic system under which a society operates and once you get capitalism and its shenanigans into the East it will do the same with the family as is happening in the West. In feudal societies family is the be all and end all because production is located within the family but within such a family setup women are considered property while within capitalist "families" they are considered marketable commodities- the Khan doesn't have much info about these issues but the author does not either so it is best for him to shut up rather than make a fool of himself.

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Re: # 21
Dost
Multiple sources to enlighten on morality is a must. The story of religions(ancient and medieval), philosophic writings (specially modern philosophers and greeks) and a study of contemporary ethical issues must be included in the curriculum. Emphasis on religion only for moral enlightenment leaves a blank in the education process and promotion of a single religion breeds prejudice.

TehsinA#22:

In my view, the eternal value is defined by the axiom, "Don't do to others what you don't want to do to you". Like you, I would not want any religion to decide what is good or bad for me; I'll let the health experts tell me whether eating beef or drinking alcohol is good or bad for me and let my own ethics decide whether or not I should kill an animal for my food.

Re: # 21, thanks for the compliment, sir. One of my favorite quotes by Brecht is "The aim of science is not to open the door to infinite wisdom, but to set a limit to infinite error."

Thanks for reading and for the feedback.

Dost Mittar jee:

I think morality, religion, values etc. and change causes a lot of confusion as to what is temporal and what is eternal. One has to make a clear distinction between the two if one wishes to have an orderly existence. Trouble is that religion is the main culprit of this confusion. Let us take a fundamental distinction – Good and Bad. What is Good? Anything that helps us promote well being is Good. Similarly anything that is harmful for us is Bad. This definition of Good and Bad is eternal and has never changed from day one. Same could be said about Justice, Liberty, Wisdom (truth), courage or temperance are values which are eternal. Yes what they mean at a particular time depends upon the level of Wisdom (truth) that we are at but the value itself is unchanging. Religion, because of its reliance on myth to convey its message creates confusion where temporal action gains eternal status.

Hashmi Saheb:

A very good piece, sir! Religion can indeed be a basis of morality, but it can only be a partial source. Human morality is subject to change because societies are changing and so would morality. In a short span of forty years, I have seen dramatic changes in morality here in North America; for example, in matters of sex and sexual orientation, role of females, abortion, etc. Admittedly, some of these changes might prove to be unworkable and the society might modify its morality on a need basis. This is not possible in a morality based on an unchanging dogma.

Scince and religion can coexist. The domain of the unknown will always remain the purview of the religion, at least as long as the science is not able to prove or disprove any of the religous dogmas through scientific methods.

Even in matters of faith, it is important that as long as all faiths are addressing the unknown, all philosophies, including atheism, are considered as equally valid or invalid.